Why is this hobby enjoyed mostly by the male population?

Waterland said:
Enough of this "be a man" crap. Like I said before, I'm sick of hearing about how you if you're a man you must automatically like "manly" things, and if you don't, you're not a "man." I have every right to be interested in anything I please, or not interested in things. I don't know a thing about sports, I can barely understand what's happening in a football game, but people seem to think that I should be interested in and know all about sports just because I'm a man. I never liked sports when I was growing up because for one thing, I didn't have the constitution for sports, and for another, nobody was willing to teach me sports, they just assumed I would know because I was male.
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+1:thmbsp:

Another result of this attitude -- I used to work with a guy who was obviously very concerned about his sexuality. There were actually foods he would not eat because they were not masculine enough. Quiche - remember that whole "real men don't eat quiche" nonsense? He actually wouldn't eat it lest someone think he might be less than 1000% heterosexual. He wouldn't eat yogurt. It was really rather sad. Then the very odd thing... we had an employee who was a transsexual. She had worked for the company in another division when she was a man, had the surgery and (for obvious reasons) transferred to a different division (ours). Being in the NY metro area, we were generally more accepting of her than her former co-workers in the midwest. Anyway, the fellow who wouldn't eat quiche became quite close friends with the transsexual woman. :scratch2:
 
Waterland said:
Enough of this "be a man" crap. Like I said before, I'm sick of hearing about how you if you're a man you must automatically like "manly" things, and if you don't, you're not a "man." I have every right to be interested in anything I please, or not interested in things. I don't know a thing about sports, I can barely understand what's happening in a football game, but people seem to think that I should be interested in and know all about sports just because I'm a man. I never liked sports when I was growing up because for one thing, I didn't have the constitution for sports, and for another, nobody was willing to teach me sports, they just assumed I would know because I was male.
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Whoa, where did all that hostility come from? Nobody said you have to like football or sports to be a man. My wife loves watching football (fortunately for me) and even helps with my fantasy football team. But the reality is the majority of men like to do manly things and the majority of women don't. Nothing wrong with that but it's just the way things are. It's been this way for a very long time. :yes:
 
Sam Cogley said:
There are a lot of women with OCD - the type who clean the house three times a day, for instance.

Quite frankly, I don't think any of those mindsets are built-in to a huge degree. There may be some tendencies here and there, but a lot of it is culturally ingrained.
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well, that's where I totally disagree, I don't think it's culturally ingrained.

Women are totally free to have an interest in turntables and hi-fi if they want, and how many post here? Close to zero, I would hazard a guess.
 
Duffinator said:
Whoa, where did all that hostility come from? Nobody said you have to like football or sports to be a man.
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There have been several people in this thread who have said that "men like such and such" and "women like such and such" or "audio is man's hobby because men like mechanical things" or "women don't like it because they care more about feelings than physical objects" and other sexist comments like that. All those stereotypes being thrown around are what made me go off like that. I get the same "men like cars and football and beer" talk everywhere: at work, from television, in movies, from peers. Even some of my musical tastes are ridiculed for being too "girly."
 
Waterland said:
There have been several people in this thread who have said that "men like such and such" and "women like such and such" or "audio is man's hobby because men like mechanical things" or "women don't like it because they care more about feelings than physical objects" and other sexist comments like that. All those stereotypes being thrown around are what made me go off like that. I get the same "men like cars and football and beer" talk everywhere: at work, from television, in movies, from peers. Even some of my musical tastes are ridiculed for being too "girly."
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all I'm saying is that nearly everyone who is really into hi-fi is male. Nobody is forcing us to to like this stuff, we just tend to gravitate towards it.

It's not "sexist" at all. I would welcome more female turntable obsessives, but it's never going to happen.
 
leepal said:
well, that's where I totally disagree, I don't think it's culturally ingrained.

Women are totally free to have an interest in turntables and hi-fi if they want, and how many post here? Close to zero, I would hazard a guess.
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You would be wrong. We even have a female moderator silly boy. And boy does she know her stuff!!!
 
leepal said:
all I'm saying is that nearly everyone who is really into hi-fi is male. Nobody is forcing us to to like this stuff, we just tend to gravitate towards it.

It's not "sexist" at all. I would welcome more female turntable obsessives, but it's never going to happen.
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Unless "Gucci" or "Prada" come out with a line of tuntables and turntable accessories! :D
 
leepal said:
It's not "sexist" at all. I would welcome more female turntable obsessives, but it's never going to happen.
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This is one of several threads on this topic in recent weeks. Do we need more women in this male dominated hobby? Do we need more men in female dominated hobbies? My wife has no more interest in my audio/video hobby than I do in her scrap booking hobby. We're both very comfortable with that separation of hobbies if you will. It is what it is and unless someone comes up with a brilliant idea on how to change it there will continue to be a very low percentage of women on this forum. I just don't get all the fuss. :no:
 
leepal said:
well, that's where I totally disagree, I don't think it's culturally ingrained.
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Correct. Just ingrained.

Waterland said:
There have been several people in this thread who have said that "men like such and such" and "women like such and such" or "audio is man's hobby because men like mechanical things" or "women don't like it because they care more about feelings than physical objects" and other sexist comments like that. All those stereotypes being thrown around are what made me go off like that. I get the same "men like cars and football and beer" talk everywhere: at work, from television, in movies, from peers. Even some of my musical tastes are ridiculed for being too "girly."
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You are way too sensitive.
And no disrespect intended, but your first post in this thread, somewhat, lead me to believe you're comments were from a women's point of view.
And for what it is worth, when I was a teenager I used to make latch-hook rugs in the middle of the night when I couldn't sleep
 
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Never thought being into music or stereos was just a guy thing. No more so than driving a cool car. Maybe I have just been lucky.
 
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Mark W. said:
You would be wrong. We even have a female moderator silly boy. And boy does she know her stuff!!!
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doesn't make much difference. Of course there are exceptions, my own grandmother was quite knowledgeable about cricket, does this change the fact that 99% of people interested in cricket are males?
 
Duffinator said:
This is one of several threads on this topic in recent weeks. Do we need more women in this male dominated hobby? Do we need more men in female dominated hobbies? My wife has no more interest in my audio/video hobby than I do in her scrap booking hobby. We're both very comfortable with that separation of hobbies if you will. It is what it is and unless someone comes up with a brilliant idea on how to change it there will continue to be a very low percentage of women on this forum. I just don't get all the fuss. :no:
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well yeah, admittedly, that was a bit of PC nonsense by me, probably to appear to be more likeable. I don't actually give a sh1t if more women are into hi-fi or not.
 
JonL said:
Actually I think it is because women have evolved (or been nurtured into) being moms first and foremost. To women, things are secondary to people. The material things that are important to women tend to be highly associated with a person important to them... their wedding ring, for example. (I don't have a theory for shoes though....) A woman's point of view might be that the music is great, the rig is the best sounding ever, but it only has importance if it involves a relationship with another person.

That's my theory presented as an overly simplistic sweeping generalization about mars/venus and all that crap. Please don't flame me too badly.
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I have to admit I cannot come up with anything original for this thread.
Jon L your thoughts are pretty much the same as mine. Women like what we have because they love us. Oh by the way they think it sounds great but are more taken by us being happy because of it.

Its not the equipment it's the sound and our being pleased by it. Thats their instinct. Its their "Blend" button. :smoke:
 
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It's easy to say "it's just the way it is" and write it all off. But I hope the next generation raising girls completely thinks through the possibility that what makes a woman a woman is not about whether they fiddle with knobs and dials. And that "girl stuff" and "guy stuff" could be arbitrary things that get ingrained early on.

That way if they raise a girl maybe they are more conscious of it. And maybe there's some chance of opening up more possibilities for her. Like robotics, engineering, science, music composition, racing, four wheeling, car customizing, etc.

Or shouldn't women get to have fun like this? They should keep to their shoes and knitting, sewing, fashion, and soap operas. Tell that to the tens of thousands of women engineers where I work.

Agree or disagree with this article below, I don't care. What struck me: I'd previously read that female minds aren't wired to think spatially, thus math and science and other stuff are out. This article says that wouldn't be true if girls played with toys that exercised spatial thinking. But our interactions with girls vs boys steer them in different directions very very early on.

http://eng.kilden.forskningsradet.no/c52778/nyhet/vis.html?tid=61864

That all makes sense to me. I'm sure I wouldn't think the way I do if I hadn't played with lego toys.

And the comment that most women cluster around some narrow band of intelligence whereas men range from idiots to geniuses? I hope that was a joke... If not, maybe you've not met as many super intelligent women as I have. :D Or really dim bulbs for that matter :D

They used to think women were wired to be teachers and nothing else. And that they weren't really capable of voting. Or writing. Or thinking. Or going to school. Were they right? Should we go back to that?

If we shouldn't go back, then why assume we can't go forward?
 
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