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HomerJSimpson
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Well, I found out the following:
30 x 24 x 14
85lbs each.
10inch woofer and dome tweeter in a Coaxial design.
Oiled Walnut cabinets
Mirrored.
30 x 24 x 14
85lbs each.
10inch woofer and dome tweeter in a Coaxial design.
Oiled Walnut cabinets
Mirrored.
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Got your name written all over them....:thmbsp:
oldtubes
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I have their big brothers, the Hartley Concert Master V. The Holton "A" was made in many variations. They all had drivers hand made by Harold Luth. They had one of the following driver combinations:
1) Model 310 10" full range - grey cone
2) Model 312 12" full range - grey cone
3) Model 220 MS 10" full range - white polymer cone with magnetic suspension
4) Model 220 MSG 10" full range - white polymer cone with magnetic suspension and dual voice coil. Second voice coil to drive the high frequency dome in the center of the main cone.
5) Model 220 MSG 10" with a Model 207 MSG 7" midrange/tweeter -both drivers have white polymer cone with magnetic suspension and dual voice coil. Second voice coil to drive the high frequency dome in the center of the main cone.
6) Model 220 MSG 10" with a DT-8 1" dome tweeter.
If you have versions 3 to 6 they are real winners. I would say 5 would be my pick. It has the midrange and tweeter I have in my Concertmasters. The magnetic suspensions make the 220MSG have one of the best transient response available. My Concertmaster are faster than any other speaker I have. See this link for a speaker made with the 220 MSG http://www.stereophile.com/artdudleylistening/106listen/index.html
1) Model 310 10" full range - grey cone
2) Model 312 12" full range - grey cone
3) Model 220 MS 10" full range - white polymer cone with magnetic suspension
4) Model 220 MSG 10" full range - white polymer cone with magnetic suspension and dual voice coil. Second voice coil to drive the high frequency dome in the center of the main cone.
5) Model 220 MSG 10" with a Model 207 MSG 7" midrange/tweeter -both drivers have white polymer cone with magnetic suspension and dual voice coil. Second voice coil to drive the high frequency dome in the center of the main cone.
6) Model 220 MSG 10" with a DT-8 1" dome tweeter.
If you have versions 3 to 6 they are real winners. I would say 5 would be my pick. It has the midrange and tweeter I have in my Concertmasters. The magnetic suspensions make the 220MSG have one of the best transient response available. My Concertmaster are faster than any other speaker I have. See this link for a speaker made with the 220 MSG http://www.stereophile.com/artdudleylistening/106listen/index.html
I have a pair of Holton Juniors, which contain the same components as A's contemporaneous to them, though in smaller boxes. Other Holtons may be different but mine have the 220msg and what looks to be a Philips tweeter. These are speakers I won't be selling, no how, no way. If you have a chance at these for a fair price I would say go for it, say like about NOW. I would, and I already have a pair.
How do they sound? I can't really provide a ready analogy here, they sound like nothing else I've run across. Very pleasing, to my ear, occasionally even startling in their realism, particularly so on vocals. If you have the opportunity to listen to them, you should. I'd like to hear what you think.
How do they sound? I can't really provide a ready analogy here, they sound like nothing else I've run across. Very pleasing, to my ear, occasionally even startling in their realism, particularly so on vocals. If you have the opportunity to listen to them, you should. I'd like to hear what you think.
HomerJSimpson
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Oh, I'll be getting them! With some cool looking Onkyo Components. A7022 and a 4055 tuner... Price is right. May be something wrong with one of the speakers....
HomerJSimpson
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OMG these sound AMAZING. Wierd build on the main driver.....
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i live near wilmington nc, and in wilmington is a company called audio lab, owned by richard who apparemtly owns Hartley Speakers so he may have some further info...he has chimed in here once in a while to AK and is a decent fellow.....off hand dont know the phone number of audio lab
i live near wilmington nc, and in wilmington is a company called audio lab, owned by richard who apparemtly owns Hartley Speakers so he may have some further info...he has chimed in here once in a while to AK and is a decent fellow.....off hand dont know the phone number of audio lab
Now that you've said it I can say it too: Yes, these are AMAZING sounding speakers. (I was holding myself back, a little bit anyway, in my earlier post, so as to not unduly influence whatever opinion you might form.) Instructive anecdote to follow:
The first night I had these my family and I were playing a board game, and I'd tuned in to a classical station by way of a little board game-playing background music, when what sounded like a two-hundred pound Scandinavian behemoth, helmet, braids and all, suddenly leaped out into the room, heaved her chest, and opened her throat about as far as a human throat can possibly be opened. Ok, it only sounded that way, but I mean it REALLY sounded that way. All of us had exactly the same reaction, shock, and this is no exaggeration. There'd been a lot of speakers in and out of here in the past, and a lot more since, and this is the only time something like this has ever happened, the usual response being more along the lines of "Yes, those sound nice, but I can't really hear how they're any different from all those other speakers," followed by a communal eye-roll. OMG, indeed.
Yes, the 220msg is definitely a beast of its own kind, which is probably why it sounds as unique, and special, as it does.
Anyway, congratulations. Glad to hear they both work. Enjoy!
The first night I had these my family and I were playing a board game, and I'd tuned in to a classical station by way of a little board game-playing background music, when what sounded like a two-hundred pound Scandinavian behemoth, helmet, braids and all, suddenly leaped out into the room, heaved her chest, and opened her throat about as far as a human throat can possibly be opened. Ok, it only sounded that way, but I mean it REALLY sounded that way. All of us had exactly the same reaction, shock, and this is no exaggeration. There'd been a lot of speakers in and out of here in the past, and a lot more since, and this is the only time something like this has ever happened, the usual response being more along the lines of "Yes, those sound nice, but I can't really hear how they're any different from all those other speakers," followed by a communal eye-roll. OMG, indeed.
Yes, the 220msg is definitely a beast of its own kind, which is probably why it sounds as unique, and special, as it does.
Anyway, congratulations. Glad to hear they both work. Enjoy!
oldtubes
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Congratulations, what drivers do drivers do you have in your Holton A?
Yes, Richard Schmetterer is the owner of Hartley. Here is his web pages which contain alot of info and pictures on the Hartley products. Thanks Richard for creating the web pages.
http://www.hartleyloudspeakers.com/
I bought my Concertmasters in the early 80's as Mr. Luth was moving the driver manufacturing over to Richard. Richard made my 224HS 24" woofers and Mr. Luth made my 220MSG mids and 207MSG tweeters. Mr. Luth gave me all the specs on the crossovers. I spent many hours winding the coils for the crossovers. I concur these are amazing sounding speakers. The loud dynamics of the music seem to jump out more than most speakers I own.
Yes, Richard Schmetterer is the owner of Hartley. Here is his web pages which contain alot of info and pictures on the Hartley products. Thanks Richard for creating the web pages.
http://www.hartleyloudspeakers.com/
I bought my Concertmasters in the early 80's as Mr. Luth was moving the driver manufacturing over to Richard. Richard made my 224HS 24" woofers and Mr. Luth made my 220MSG mids and 207MSG tweeters. Mr. Luth gave me all the specs on the crossovers. I spent many hours winding the coils for the crossovers. I concur these are amazing sounding speakers. The loud dynamics of the music seem to jump out more than most speakers I own.
Vinyl Rules!
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Resurrecting a very old thread.
The Hartley Holton A’s used the last version of the 10" Hartley speaker that was manufactured: It was the 220MSG.
These rarely come up on ebay but when they do, they sell for very high prices: The last pair (drivers only) sold for over $2,000.00 There is still tremendous interest in Hartley speakers in Europe and many of the ebay Hartley buyers are either in the UK or France. They are also extremely popular in Japan and Malaysia.
Hartley moved their company from Ho-Ho-Kus (can you say that ten times in a row fast?), NJ to Wilmington, NC.
The Hartley Concertmaster model was the one with the 24" woofer, but Hartley also made a Concertmaster Junior with an 18" woofer. Hartley also added a 1" Philips dome tweeter to help the 7" speaker that was used as a tweeter in the Concertmaster and Concertmaster Junior the last few years they produced these models.
IMHO I believe the 10” 220MSG has an astoundingly realistic sound and they are lightening quick. They have a humongous alnico magnet structure and that helps give them an electrostatic clarity. I was lucky enough to buy a pair of Hartley Holton A speakers back in the 1970's that have the 10" 220MSG speaker in them and a 1" Philips tweeter and I actually kept them because of their magical sound quality and superb cabinets. They now reside in our living room and most people that see them think they are end tables and comment on their nice looks, then are floored when music starts playing through them!
Pat Donnleycutt, who was a long-time past reviewer for TAS, used a 24" Hartley as his reference low-frequency transducer for years: He cut a hole for the speaker in his den floor and used his basement as an infinite baffle. Some thought the 24” Hartley was “slow,” but IMHO the Concertmaster cabinet was simply too small for the 24" woofer and the small cabinet hurt its performance: I always thought the Concertmaster Junior with the 18" woofer was a much better sounding system and its cabinet was only slightly smaller than the Concertmaster. Pat Donnleycutt’s 24" woofer could get your guts churning with the right material.
I was also lucky enough to acquire a 18" Hartley that was custom built for Jon Dahlquist (he used it to help develop and voice his DQ-1 woofers to augment his DQ-10 speaker) and I've NEVER heard a faster sub than this 18" Hartley sub. I ultimately went to another sub because the enclosure was just too damn big (it takes at least several people to move it) and it was not magnetically shielded, but I still have it in my basement.
The Hartley Holton A’s used the last version of the 10" Hartley speaker that was manufactured: It was the 220MSG.
These rarely come up on ebay but when they do, they sell for very high prices: The last pair (drivers only) sold for over $2,000.00 There is still tremendous interest in Hartley speakers in Europe and many of the ebay Hartley buyers are either in the UK or France. They are also extremely popular in Japan and Malaysia.
Hartley moved their company from Ho-Ho-Kus (can you say that ten times in a row fast?), NJ to Wilmington, NC.
The Hartley Concertmaster model was the one with the 24" woofer, but Hartley also made a Concertmaster Junior with an 18" woofer. Hartley also added a 1" Philips dome tweeter to help the 7" speaker that was used as a tweeter in the Concertmaster and Concertmaster Junior the last few years they produced these models.
IMHO I believe the 10” 220MSG has an astoundingly realistic sound and they are lightening quick. They have a humongous alnico magnet structure and that helps give them an electrostatic clarity. I was lucky enough to buy a pair of Hartley Holton A speakers back in the 1970's that have the 10" 220MSG speaker in them and a 1" Philips tweeter and I actually kept them because of their magical sound quality and superb cabinets. They now reside in our living room and most people that see them think they are end tables and comment on their nice looks, then are floored when music starts playing through them!
Pat Donnleycutt, who was a long-time past reviewer for TAS, used a 24" Hartley as his reference low-frequency transducer for years: He cut a hole for the speaker in his den floor and used his basement as an infinite baffle. Some thought the 24” Hartley was “slow,” but IMHO the Concertmaster cabinet was simply too small for the 24" woofer and the small cabinet hurt its performance: I always thought the Concertmaster Junior with the 18" woofer was a much better sounding system and its cabinet was only slightly smaller than the Concertmaster. Pat Donnleycutt’s 24" woofer could get your guts churning with the right material.
I was also lucky enough to acquire a 18" Hartley that was custom built for Jon Dahlquist (he used it to help develop and voice his DQ-1 woofers to augment his DQ-10 speaker) and I've NEVER heard a faster sub than this 18" Hartley sub. I ultimately went to another sub because the enclosure was just too damn big (it takes at least several people to move it) and it was not magnetically shielded, but I still have it in my basement.
Resurrecting a very old thread.
The Hartley Holton A’s used the last version of the 10" Hartley speaker that was manufactured: It was the 220MSG.
These rarely come up on ebay but when they do, they sell for very high prices: The last pair (drivers only) sold for over $2,000.00 There is still tremendous interest in Hartley speakers in Europe and many of the ebay Hartley buyers are either in the UK or France. They are also extremely popular in Japan and Malaysia.
Hartley moved their company from Ho-Ho-Kus (can you say that ten times in a row fast?), NJ to Wilmington, NC.
The Hartley Concertmaster model was the one with the 24" woofer, but Hartley also made a Concertmaster Junior with an 18" woofer. Hartley also added a 1" Philips dome tweeter to help the 7" speaker that was used as a tweeter in the Concertmaster and Concertmaster Junior the last few years they produced these models.
IMHO I believe the 10” 220MSG has an astoundingly realistic sound and they are lightening quick. They have a humongous alnico magnet structure and that helps give them an electrostatic clarity. I was lucky enough to buy a pair of Hartley Holton A speakers back in the 1970's that have the 10" 220MSG speaker in them and a 1" Philips tweeter and I actually kept them because of their magical sound quality and superb cabinets. They now reside in our living room and most people that see them think they are end tables and comment on their nice looks, then are floored when music starts playing through them!
Pat Donnleycutt, who was a long-time past reviewer for TAS, used a 24" Hartley as his reference low-frequency transducer for years: He cut a hole for the speaker in his den floor and used his basement as an infinite baffle. Some thought the 24” Hartley was “slow,” but IMHO the Concertmaster cabinet was simply too small for the 24" woofer and the small cabinet hurt its performance: I always thought the Concertmaster Junior with the 18" woofer was a much better sounding system and its cabinet was only slightly smaller than the Concertmaster. Pat Donnleycutt’s 24" woofer could get your guts churning with the right material.
I was also lucky enough to acquire a 18" Hartley that was custom built for Jon Dahlquist (he used it to help develop and voice his DQ-1 woofers to augment his DQ-10 speaker) and I've NEVER heard a faster sub than this 18" Hartley sub. I ultimately went to another sub because the enclosure was just too damn big (it takes at least several people to move it) and it was not magnetically shielded, but I still have it in my basement.
You do realize that you are now required to post pictures of that beast. Totally illegal to just tease that and not follow through...
Vinyl Rules!
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OK, loudnoises, I won’t leave you hanging. It’s not possible to show you an actual picture of my Holton A’s as they are currently covered by a tarp. We had a roof leak and I’m currently dealing with my H/O insurance to sort things out. 
‘However, I have a brochure with an excellent picture of Hartley Holton A’s, as well as other Hartley speakers. I’ve listened to many, many speakers over the years and I’ve yet to hear one with the bass quickness and bass detail of Hartley’s. As always, YMMV
Click on http://www-f9.ijs.si/~margan/Audio/Hartley_brochure.pdf to view the magnificent Hartley’s!
‘However, I have a brochure with an excellent picture of Hartley Holton A’s, as well as other Hartley speakers. I’ve listened to many, many speakers over the years and I’ve yet to hear one with the bass quickness and bass detail of Hartley’s. As always, YMMV
Click on http://www-f9.ijs.si/~margan/Audio/Hartley_brochure.pdf to view the magnificent Hartley’s!
