Blindly (deafly?!) bought Nordost Purple Flare cables yesterday for my Rotel / B&W

My local guy, Glenn Sinclair, at Audio Two in Windsor, is the same way.

"Take this home, and try it out for a week. Let me know what you think."

There are dealers who care about their customers, and the sound, not just about the sale. Too bad the OP doesn't have one near him.

twochordcool, a local dealer can really help you make these decisions you've been wrestling with for, what, nine years, now?
 
I wonder if the shop I bought this from would allow me to buy Transparent cables, power cords and an interconnect and return the ones i wasn't as impressed with for a refund?!

I would never buy cables without a return policy. I would think most reputable dealers would have a trial program in place. Your only mistake was not asking about this up front. Talk to your dealer, I'm betting they will help you out.

cubdog
 
Kinda off track, but the one nice thing about cables, be it ones you paid thousands for, or ones you invested a great deal of time and materials into, is that they can stay with you thru many upgrades. Kind of like that top of the line radar detector that you can move from car to car...

That's all, carry on....
 
I upgraded my power cable last week
switched back and forth 4 or 5 times
Definitely liked the new cable

Interconnects , went into my favorite shop
I saw a box of 10 old cables
He let me try them all
I bought a pair

I bought a good power strip
It helped but not as much as the power cable
Next up for me is the wall socket and after that a separate line
 
Also, did I goof buying a power cord for my integrated amplifier if I'm just going to plug it into a cheap power strip?


Well then I'll plug the integrated and CD into the outlet directly and then run an extension cord and power strip for the TV and cable TV box until I can upgrade to a power conditioner or whatever.

Will THAT be OK?

Or am I still wasting my money on power cords going directly into a wall outlet?

Please, only people that believe in power cords, interconnects and speaker cables chime in here!
 
Well then I'll plug the integrated and CD into the outlet directly and then run an extension cord and power strip for the TV and cable TV box until I can upgrade to a power conditioner or whatever.

Will THAT be OK?

Or am I still wasting my money on power cords going directly into a wall outlet?

Please, only people that believe in power cords, interconnects and speaker cables chime in here!

If you compare the original power cord with a replacement and you hear a difference that's all that matters.

Most inexpensive terminal strips use the cheapest outlets and wire possible. Most inexpensive surge protectors will current limit. Power amplifiers should usually be plugged directly into a wall outlet. Changing the wall outlets to Hubbell hospital grade ones can be an improvement simply because of the grip they place on the plug.

Tripplite has a line of decent reasonably priced surge protectors. They come with an insurance policy for any devices connected to them. One of them may be a reasonable alternative until you can acquire an audio grade power conditioner. For power amplifiers and high current draw devices I recommend using dedicated lines for them. If you have more than one dedicated line make sure they are on different legs of your AC system.

I recently bought two Pangea AC cords from Audio Advisor. I admit to being a little skeptical but unlike most detractors I actually try things before deciding they are ineffective. They were reasonably priced, well constructed and seem to have lowered the noise floor. I may have an expectation bias but I don't care. It's my money that was spent.

No child, pet or any living thing has suffered because of my purchase. Those whose feelings are offended can bite me.
 
You need to listen to your system with the cables and without the cables then decide what sounds best. It's not that hard, give this a try.

cubdog

Yours is really the only opinion that matters, after all is said and done.
 
Yours is really the only opinion that matters, after all is said and done.

I understand this, I just don't have anything to compare it to. A power conditioner for 6 components costs $500 at Transparent Cables...the only way to know is to buy one, and that, to me, is a LARGE sum of money.

I'm just trying to figure out things like; is it a waste of money investing in upgraded power cords if I am going to use a cheap strip or go right to an outlet?

I guess I can compare the power cord that came with the integrated amp to the upgraded Purple Flair I bought, but if there is no difference is that because the upgraded power cord is no better or because I'm plugging it into a cheap power strip or into a wall outlet and not into a power conditioner?
 
You see, this is what we've been saying. You need to establish a relationship with a local dealer, one who will let you try stuff at home. I have Audio Two, just a few blocks away from my house (DANGEROUS!) MikeT has Galen Carol Audio in San Antonio. You need to find your somebody who knows how to treat their customers.

As for power conditioning, I know lots of people who use them, but I don't know anyone who has used the Transparent. I use a Blue Circle, heavily modified by the designer, Gilbert Cheung, for an AK Fest, a few years ago. I like it a lot, but it's basically a one-off custom build. I can't tell you anything about the one you have under consideration. If your dealer would let you take a demo model home, then you'd know.
 
As an aside, my dealer sent me home with a case filled with the Nordost range of interconnects. He had similar ones for speaker cables and power cords. It pays to establish a relationship with your local dealer. I ended up buying Blue Heaven v.2, after listening to several models.

More to the point, I don't recall reading anything about that model, so I would venture that not many have had experience it, fewer still with that model on your Rotel.

Patience.

Your dealer is a saint,and I know this from experience
 
Yeah, Alan, but, if you ask him, he'll modestly tell you that he runs his store the way he'd want it to be if he was a customer. It works.

I'll go there on a Saturday afternoon, just to hang out and listen to music, for a couple of hours, and shoot the breeze with the other guys who hang out there.
 
Well, here's my set up - and I'm using the standard power cables that came with each unit.

Speakers - B&W DM604 S3
Turntable - Thorens TD316
HDCD - Rotel RCD-1072
Preamp - Rotel RC-1070
Amp - Rotel RB-1080
Interconnects - Tara Labs
Speaker Cable - Symphony Straight Wire

While likely not as "high end" as what you've purchased, I absolutely noticed an audible improvement when I moved from my 'regular' RCAs to the better cabling, so I'm in the cables make a difference camp.

Regards,
Scott
 
snip snip from OP's first post.... 1) be safer moving one up the line, and 2) spending that kind of money on cables I'll have less doubt and worry that I didn't get good enough cables.

Please express your thoughts!

My thoughts... to be perfectly honest... is you wasted your money. That coin would of been better spent on upgrading your audio equipment.

Also there is no difference plugging your system into a power board or wall socket, unless you have something that is connected to the power board that can cause massive loads or momentary drop outs, such as an air conditioner, and also good to keep high powered AC motors away from the power board. All power boards and power cables are designed under safety standards so they can take the maximum current without frying.

The wiring in your house is basic plain power wire. Nothing special and the sparky wouldn't have cabled up the electrical power in your house with audio purity as a design goal.

Audio equipment is designed to run on normal mains power, and if they don't have a basic power lead there will be a socket for a generic lead to connect. Nothing specialised is required. So, pointless purchasing a special power lead as it will not offer anything in improving the audio quality of the amp. Of course, the longer the lead the more voltage is dropped, so I wouldn't be connecting an amp to a 100ft lead.

Interconnects can make a difference, but only if you compare the nastiest and cheapest interconnect to a good quality one, and even then it depends on your system and the synergy of your system (amp, speakers, turntable, CD, and room acoustics) if you would notice a difference in sound.

Most Hi Fi dealers sell quality interconnects and they will work as well as the outrageously expensive ones. Interconnects carry a smaller voltage and therefore the shorter the better, plus shorter will result in less capacitance. Interconnects should be shielded to protect them from interference of nearby power cables. If anything, the interconnects between the amp and turntable is the one where you can splurge, if you desire.

At the end of the day it is your money and if you think it makes a difference then good for you. However, I would of not bothered with any specialised power lead, and purchase normal good quality interconnects.

Speaker wire is the same. Normal dual speaker cable is more than adequate. The more power your amp can deliver into the speakers may dictate thicker cables, but again you don't need anything fancy or oxygen free, or any other fancy marketing hype type of cable. As per other cables, the longer the cable the more affect it can have. So, for long cable runs to the speaker it is best to get one with the lowest resistance per metre.

The money you spent could of gone into a better cartridge for your turntable or as a part payment on a better amp or speakers. These will make a much greater difference to your system than some snake oil hocus-pocus fancy pants cable.

Sure, use quality cables, but extravagant ones won't offer any improvement for your average home system.
 
My thoughts... to be perfectly honest... is you wasted your money. That coin would of been better spent on upgrading your audio equipment.

Also there is no difference plugging your system into a power board or wall socket, unless you have something that is connected to the power board that can cause massive loads or momentary drop outs, such as an air conditioner, and also good to keep high powered AC motors away from the power board. All power boards and power cables are designed under safety standards so they can take the maximum current without frying.

The wiring in your house is basic plain power wire. Nothing special and the sparky wouldn't have cabled up the electrical power in your house with audio purity as a design goal.

Audio equipment is designed to run on normal mains power, and if they don't have a basic power lead there will be a socket for a generic lead to connect. Nothing specialised is required. So, pointless purchasing a special power lead as it will not offer anything in improving the audio quality of the amp. Of course, the longer the lead the more voltage is dropped, so I wouldn't be connecting an amp to a 100ft lead.

Interconnects can make a difference, but only if you compare the nastiest and cheapest interconnect to a good quality one, and even then it depends on your system and the synergy of your system (amp, speakers, turntable, CD, and room acoustics) if you would notice a difference in sound.

Most Hi Fi dealers sell quality interconnects and they will work as well as the outrageously expensive ones. Interconnects carry a smaller voltage and therefore the shorter the better, plus shorter will result in less capacitance. Interconnects should be shielded to protect them from interference of nearby power cables. If anything, the interconnects between the amp and turntable is the one where you can splurge, if you desire.

At the end of the day it is your money and if you think it makes a difference then good for you. However, I would of not bothered with any specialised power lead, and purchase normal good quality interconnects.

Speaker wire is the same. Normal dual speaker cable is more than adequate. The more power your amp can deliver into the speakers may dictate thicker cables, but again you don't need anything fancy or oxygen free, or any other fancy marketing hype type of cable. As per other cables, the longer the cable the more affect it can have. So, for long cable runs to the speaker it is best to get one with the lowest resistance per metre.

The money you spent could of gone into a better cartridge for your turntable or as a part payment on a better amp or speakers. These will make a much greater difference to your system than some snake oil hocus-pocus fancy pants cable.

Sure, use quality cables, but extravagant ones won't offer any improvement for your average home system.

Hey, don't sugar coat it. :D
 
My thoughts... to be perfectly honest... is you wasted your money. That coin would of been better spent on upgrading your audio equipment.

Also there is no difference plugging your system into a power board or wall socket, unless you have something that is connected to the power board that can cause massive loads or momentary drop outs, such as an air conditioner, and also good to keep high powered AC motors away from the power board. All power boards and power cables are designed under safety standards so they can take the maximum current without frying.

The wiring in your house is basic plain power wire. Nothing special and the sparky wouldn't have cabled up the electrical power in your house with audio purity as a design goal.

Audio equipment is designed to run on normal mains power, and if they don't have a basic power lead there will be a socket for a generic lead to connect. Nothing specialised is required. So, pointless purchasing a special power lead as it will not offer anything in improving the audio quality of the amp. Of course, the longer the lead the more voltage is dropped, so I wouldn't be connecting an amp to a 100ft lead.

Interconnects can make a difference, but only if you compare the nastiest and cheapest interconnect to a good quality one, and even then it depends on your system and the synergy of your system (amp, speakers, turntable, CD, and room acoustics) if you would notice a difference in sound.

Most Hi Fi dealers sell quality interconnects and they will work as well as the outrageously expensive ones. Interconnects carry a smaller voltage and therefore the shorter the better, plus shorter will result in less capacitance. Interconnects should be shielded to protect them from interference of nearby power cables. If anything, the interconnects between the amp and turntable is the one where you can splurge, if you desire.

At the end of the day it is your money and if you think it makes a difference then good for you. However, I would of not bothered with any specialised power lead, and purchase normal good quality interconnects.

Speaker wire is the same. Normal dual speaker cable is more than adequate. The more power your amp can deliver into the speakers may dictate thicker cables, but again you don't need anything fancy or oxygen free, or any other fancy marketing hype type of cable. As per other cables, the longer the cable the more affect it can have. So, for long cable runs to the speaker it is best to get one with the lowest resistance per metre.

The money you spent could of gone into a better cartridge for your turntable or as a part payment on a better amp or speakers. These will make a much greater difference to your system than some snake oil hocus-pocus fancy pants cable.

Sure, use quality cables, but extravagant ones won't offer any improvement for your average home system.

Good post, you seem to know a lot about this stuff. Is it because you actually "Interconnects can make a difference, but only if you compare the nastiest and cheapest interconnect to a good quality one..."?
I ask because a lot of folks just regurgitate what they read on the internet, or they got a good grade in their HS physics class so they think they have some unique knowledge that people who actually listen don't have.
 
As was recently opined by Pioneer engineer Andrew Jones, cables should be addressed once you feel the rest of the system is 'optimal'.

If that's your situation, you made a good purchase. If you believe the weak link was something else (including room treatments), maybe not.

Not so much 'wasted' as opposed to a possibly premature expenditure.
 
Not going to scream at anyone on this topic. But will relate one experience. I conducted many, many tests of interconnects, speaker cables and power cords over a period of about 5 years. With many other participating, including audiophiles, audio store owners, audio sales reps, etc. Here's one of them.

I visited a high end audio store, where I knew the owner, a very serious and long-time audiophile. We set up a listening test which was fairly simple. We had a high end DAC ($2000-$3000) and a high end preamp (I think it was $5000'ish). This ran into a $5000'ish amp and then to B&W 802 speakers. This was set up in his custom listening room. The DAC had 2 sets of outputs. We ran one set to his preamp using Radio Shack Gold interconnects and the other his favorite Cardas interconnects, which I think ran about $800.

The preamp had a remote control which could instantly switch between inputs. No pause at all. So we could sit across the room and switch back and forth. We listened for several minutes, with him pointing out all of the differences as he switched. More transparent, more definition, more musical, etc. It was hard not to be influenced by him.

Then another customer came in and he left the room. I switched the cables. He came back and for the next several minutes, continued to point out the obvious and clear differences. He never noticed a thing. And it was interesting to me, because as he pointed out how much better the RS Golds were, it did seem to me that they were!

He had to go out again, so I switched them back. Came in for a couple more minutes, again pointing out the differences. Then we unhooked everything, I thanked him, I purchased a couple of audiophile quality CDs to throw him a little business, and left. I have shared this story with others, but have never mentioned the store's or his name.

I didn't participate in this to prove him or anyone else wrong. I did it for my own desire to know, for the purpose of spending my money where it made the most difference.
 
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