Bill Ferris
Lunatic Member
Well, I guess your going to keep looking then, Blue Shadow..But now we are looking for your technical thoughts.
I won`t be drawn into a debate !!
Well, I guess your going to keep looking then, Blue Shadow..But now we are looking for your technical thoughts.
How many did you order? Maybe he has been getting swamped with orders because of word of mouth.Still waiting on my Cullen power cords and speaker cables. At order it was one and a half week lead time. 2 weeks and a bit more passed. I emailed him. He stated I am working on your order now and it should ship Monday. Monday has come and gone and soon it will be the next Monday and not a peep. My experience I am afraid is very different than what I have read others say. I think the cable business is a very low key side "hobby" that he does when he has not much else to do. He should be up front about it.
How many did you order? Maybe he has been getting swamped with orders because of word of mouth.
Possibly because this is one area where there is the most skepticism. I am all in when talking about interconnect cables between components and especially between low signal components like phono cart to pre-amp. The power cord is where I have trouble seeing the physics. I know this may be heresy to question this but I really cannot understand. The power comes to my home at 3 phase 120 VAC. The transformer is likely 2+ miles away. My breaker box does nothing to that power except to add local grounding. My audio equipment is at least 40 feet from this point and the power is transmitted through regular copper Romex cable and is not isolated from other electrical devices in my house. How does the last 2 feet from the power outlet to the audio device make a difference? I can understand a power conditioner that is removing spikes and attempting to provide a clean 60Hz 120 VAC power but a power cord is not doing this. All it needs to do is be of sufficient gauge to handle the current. I am willing to be educated and I am open minded but I really do have trouble with this and I suspect others do also. For my money, this is the very last place I would spend dollars for improvement. I hope this doesn't ruffle any feathers and adds to the discussion.Why all the juvenile replies; and so many from longtime members who should know better?
Cheers,
Scott
Possibly because this is one area where there is the most skepticism. I am all in when talking about interconnect cables between components and especially between low signal components like phono cart to pre-amp. The power cord is where I have trouble seeing the physics. I know this may be heresy to question this but I really cannot understand. The power comes to my home at 3 phase 120 VAC. The transformer is likely 2+ miles away. My breaker box does nothing to that power except to add local grounding. My audio equipment is at least 40 feet from this point and the power is transmitted through regular copper Romex cable and is not isolated from other electrical devices in my house. How does the last 2 feet from the power outlet to the audio device make a difference? I can understand a power conditioner that is removing spikes and attempting to provide a clean 60Hz 120 VAC power but a power cord is not doing this. All it needs to do is be of sufficient gauge to handle the current. I am willing to be educated and I am open minded but I really do have trouble with this and I suspect others do also. For my money, this is the very last place I would spend dollars for improvement. I hope this doesn't ruffle any feathers and adds to the discussion.
you are correct on the home power ... I stand corrected. The point I was trying to make there is that the power company doesn't use expensive cable to deliver power to my home.No ruffling feathers from me DJH33.
But, do you really have 3 phase power delivered to your house, as most homes are provided split phase L1 120 + L2 120, 240 volt combined leg service?
Just curious ?
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you are correct on the home power ... I stand corrected. The point I was trying to make there is that the power company doesn't use expensive cable to deliver power to my home.
Not at all. AC noise is quite prevalent in modern homes.I know this may be heresy to question this but I really cannot understand.
Not isolated. Bingo! A good place to start is using dedicated lines from the breaker box to a single outlet. I have two 20A lines in the music room....and the power is transmitted through regular copper Romex cable and is not isolated from other electrical devices in my house. ...
How does the last six inches from the faucet to a water filter make a difference?Similarly, are you familiar with the concept of a "back flow preventer"?How does the last 2 feet from the power outlet to the audio device make a difference?
The "miles and miles" from the sub station canard conveniently ignores the location of the villains. They live in your house. Many of them. Some - even in your audio system!All it needs to do is be of sufficient gauge to handle the current.
Actually the cord from the wall and going to the system is more important than say the wire in your walls. I don't know about you, or what you have for a system?How does the last 2 feet from the power outlet to the audio device make a difference?
Digital sources.
I think you would be surprised at the price per foot on those huge rolls of OFC wire the electrical companies string for miles and the quality of it. Trust me that's not what your buying in Best Buy & Home Depot when you pick up a power cord.The point I was trying to make there is that the power company doesn't use expensive cable to deliver power to my home.
That works for radiated energy, but does nothing to filter SMPS noise from getting back into the AC.Clamp on/Clam shell type ferrite power cord noise suppression/decoupling worked very well for me on nineties dirty computer`s SMPS/CRT`s situated in my radio/computer room filled with 5Kh ~ 30Mhz Shortwave receivers, and low VHF ~ 2,6 Gig receivers, as well.
That works for radiated energy, but does nothing to filter SMPS noise from getting back into the AC.
I use a JPS Labs digital power cord with my DAC which uses Eupen shielded wire and contains an RF filter network.
What you're illustrating is the need for multiple strategies to address the different challenges posed.... the computer/monitor, were in fact, plugged into a Panamax model "AllPath" modular filter/surge/spike multi outlet protection device to deal with line protection & pollution from the back fed power line dirty digital noise.
What you're illustrating is the need for multiple strategies to address the different challenges posed.
Having done that, is the wife going to burst into the room asking what incredible change you just made? Certainly not, but I find there are noticeable gains to be found with a lower noise floor and improved resolution by eliminating the intermodulation of RFI components into the signal path. Closer to the "straight wire with gain" ideal.
Bingo
Not at all. AC noise is quite prevalent in modern homes.
Not isolated. Bingo! A good place to start is using dedicated lines from the breaker box to a single outlet. I have two 20A lines in the music room.
I do believe that a dedicated line and breaker could actually make a difference and like I said, a power conditioner that filters the AC could definitely provide improvement. As for a power cord, I am still not convinced but concede that others are and I could be wrong. My reply was simply stating that I believe that many are skepticle and that was why so many 'juvenile replies'. This is a great hobby with endless possibilities so to each his own.