AT95e why does everyone love this?

Thanks ld! Yes I have found it very interesting and rewarding that a very cheap, but basically without any flaws cartridge, can be this good IMHO.

To me what resembles a component mostly is what it possibly doesn´t do that good. I find very little here.
It is of course not a standard AT95E, but still the differences are not rocket science, as they say.

For anyone interested, here is one more file, but with another needle.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39225261/Serious_Numbers.wav
Very nice indeed, gusten ! Thanks for posting, I think these samples speak for themselves as to what might be achieved.

I prefer the 2nd sample I think, but both are really very tidy IMO. Yes, I think you put it well that the cart seems to basically lack flaws, it's tough to pin anything on it that sticks i find.
 
i think everyone gets it that not everyone loves the 95. and yes...of course it's entry level. that's what it is supposed to be. no aspirations to anything else. no one said it was anything more than that. the truth is that it sounds very good for the money. ask michael fremer.

it's not a terrible cartridge and i really don't believe the 95 will wear records any more or any faster if properly/correctly set up.

if you personally don't like it, fine. i get it. i also get that others don't like it, but to bash it simply because it doesn't cost $5000 or more just sounds judgmental.

you wonder why people are "resistant" to spend more on higher quality, etc. etc. etc. ---- why is that so important to you? some CAN'T spend more...they don't have the financial resources you apparently have (judging by the system in your signature). a lot of people in here are new to this or have other constraints, and what they have is what they can reasonably afford. sure...it would be great if everyone could spend $10,000 on a top of the line Clearaudio cartridge, but the reality is that not everyone can. another unfortunate reality is that those who can afford that level of cartridge (or anything else) tend to look down their nose in condemnation at anything that doesn't measure up their lofty standards.

it's not about how much you can spend. it's about spending smartly and staying within whatever financial constraints you have. as i said, the 95 is not an awful cartridge. there are cartridges that are far worse.

anyway....it seems this thread has been done to death.

Thankś for the good words iLUVanalog.
 
Here is a plot of pink noise from the same set up as with the first sample.
I think it could be a lot worse.

It´s an AT95/AT3400 with a nude 0.2*0.7 needle.
 

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Hi Gusten,

Nice plot - any speaker that could do that would be considered world class!

BUT - it is not an AT95 any more - now it is a Franken-AT95....

As a mad keen proponent of FankenCarts I am not against it, just not sure that it is totally relevant...

That combined with you interesting polar plots of your pitch stability should be providing quite an exemplary sounding setup - while being remarkably inexpensive.....
 
Hi Gusten,

Nice plot - any speaker that could do that would be considered world class!

BUT - it is not an AT95 any more - now it is a Franken-AT95....

As a mad keen proponent of FankenCarts I am not against it, just not sure that it is totally relevant...

That combined with you interesting polar plots of your pitch stability should be providing quite an exemplary sounding setup - while being remarkably inexpensive.....

Hi dlaloum. Yes it´s not an original AT95E anymore, so I agree it´s not totally relevant. But as You say it´s still remarkably inexpensive and it´s not rocket science to change the needle....sorry if I didn´t made it more clear that it wasn´t an original cart, but a little improved one.

Yes I really like the set up as it is now, it´s hard to find any flaws with it but the looks. And buying very expensive components would still have to go through the same procedures I think, and ending up rather different from original.
 
I've been using AT95e and found them to be good cartridges but I now want to move up to the next stage. What do you guys recommend ? I will be running it on a Thorens TD166 MK VI with Rega RB 250 arm
 
I've been using AT95e and found them to be good cartridges but I now want to move up to the next stage. What do you guys recommend ? I will be running it on a Thorens TD166 MK VI with Rega RB 250 arm
maybe one of the upgrade stylus for the 95e body will give a decent improvement over the basic sound. For a different presentation with a bit more refinement and a slightly more etched sound, the at-110e can still be found online from time to time. I think the cartridge body may be a couple of mm shorter on the latter so you may have to adjust the height of the tonearm to get the arm tube level.
 
I've been using AT95e and found them to be good cartridges but I now want to move up to the next stage. What do you guys recommend ? I will be running it on a Thorens TD166 MK VI with Rega RB 250 arm

The AT7V is a good choice for the rega
 
It's one of the most inexpensive current production carts with affordable and widely available options to upgrade the stylus. To some, the sound might not be the best, but at ~$35 what do you expect? For someone on a budget it's a winner.

Yup - that's what it's all about for this one. Sure you can do better. Nagaoka, AT, Ortofon, there are a lot of options. but all cost more..
 
So let's see ... a $500 cartridge sounds better to you than a $50 one; there is no such thing as break in; and the diamond and cantilever are the only things important in a cartridge.

Ok great.

Careful. Rash statements like that which are based in truth will get you into trouble every time!
 
Since I upset so many I am posting this follow up.

I bought A Denon DL-110

The Denon is a $130 cart.

It sounds superb. Really gives the Nagaoka a run and is so much less money.

The AT95e really still sounds very generic and lifeless to me. Just my opinion again but I couldn't listen to the AT95.

I know how to setup an arm and cartridge and spend time dialing everything in perfect. I know its a fair question to doubt me but I gave all cartridges a fair run. The short of it is the DL110 is a surprising bargain IMO and the output is not much lower than the Nagaoka.

Where are you getting a 110 for $130? Maybe 2 years ago... They're $170 on the cheap now.

So you hate the AT-95E. Fine. Don't buy one.

I like the AT-95E because it's at a nice price point, it's about the best you'll find for under $50, and it's a little hard to convince someone just starting out in vinyl that they should drop $150 on a cartridge, let alone $750. Mostly they just want to play their old records from the basement that they haven't heard in 30 years, *starting out*. The AT-95E is that great jumping in point. So is the AT-92ECD Pmount. I have not experienced any issues with the AT-95E outside of the fact that it's not a $500 cartridge.
 
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Some records will never sound right on anything, because they're bad pressings. Call it 'cut hot' if you like. Sibilance is often the difference between expensive carts and cheap ones.

There is no such thing as a cartridge that sounds great with every record in your collection. There's no such thing as a CD player that sounds great with every CD. If you're looking for something that meets those requirements, you're not going to find it ever, at all, and especially at $40.
 
I have used the AT95E for several family members/friends record players. The deciding factors were decent sound at a price they could live with. On a Pioneer PL-530 that mostly plays old rock and folk records it sounds very good. On a Technics SL-23 that plays a lot of pop and dance music it seems a little sizzly in the high end but not really bad. It's a nice cart for the money. They are all still being regularly enjoyed.

There are so many variables from one situation to another that I hesitate to condemn any single opinion of it. The weight of mass opinion seems to agree that the AT95E is solidly "OK" and a very good place to start if you are on a budget or casually experimenting with the hobby. I don't use one myself. I have an AT71E I'm enjoying these days. It's a minor step up financially (still under $100) but does sound a bit better.
 
Uh oh...

I wandered into the ambiguous "AT95E cartridge" thread...:crazy::no:

All kidding aside...this cartridge came standard on my turntable and I have experienced more negatives than positives with it (I won't bash it, because it's simply not fair and I do understand it "is what it is") including siblilant highs (even when running it at higher than 2.0 grams) and horrendous end-of-side distortion, that I still can't get rid of. Now, I know everyone is going to immediately turn to "your cart is out of alignment! The AT95E should have ZERO IGD!!" but I have read reviews from just as many people who have found they also could never get rid of the IGD with this cart...and that the only way was to upgrade to a microline like the 440. What's more, my tracking force and anti skate appear to be dialed in correctly (I'm using a digital gauge to measure stylus force) so...

Well, since you didn't say right out you've already done it, I suggest you check the alignment ;) Also make sure your stylus is still in good shape and both it and the record is clean. While you're at it, don't simply use the cartridge body for aligning, but the cantilever itself, and since you already have your eyes zoomed in, make sure azimuth is also correct. It's a very cheap cartridge and while quality control seems to be generally good (astonishing really for the money you pay, they must have a highly automated and effective manufacturing line I suppose), it's possible you've got a bad example where the cantilever is somehow at an angle or twisted, or the diamond is mounted incorrectly. Checking the tonearm for signs of bearing friction or play in the bearings would also be a good idea.

There's more to IGD than the cartridge / stylus used, it's really the combination of turntable/tonearm/cartridge & record. Many used records have distortion at the ends of sides due to being played by poor / poorly setup gear or bad styli. If the damage is minor, with some setups you might not notice it at all, especially if you happen to use a different stylus shape than the damage was done with. Also the better the tonearm is the less "challenges" it will present to the cartridge, so the same cartridge/stylus might have IGD problems in one turntable but play the same records flawlessly in a different one.

That said, in my experience various line contact shapes are often good at 'ignoring' damage since they have a longer contact surface vertically, so part of the stylus might stay in contact with undamaged parts of the groove. Likewise, since the cartridge tracks & traces better, it might be less sensitive in that sense to challenges presented by the tonearm, mainly the bearings (friction or bearing play or both). Sometimes the easiest solution might be to just get a better cart/stylus, even if it wasn't necessarily the root of the problem, or just one part of it.

Lastly, it seems sensitivity to IGD varies a lot between people and some people hear and can't tolerate even the slightest amounts while others won't seem to really even notice it until it gets really bad.

If you like the basic sound of the AT95E (aside from the issues you're having) one of the aftermarket upgrade styli might be cost effective, or you could just get something like the 440MLa (or MLb) which is kind of a bargain in the present market. On the other hand, personally I've come to the conclusion money is better spent at investing in the turntable & tonearm first, because a good turntable is a lasting improvement that won't wear out on you every 300-2000 hours and then when you get a more expensive cartridge, you'll get the most out of it.
 
This might be pure hogwash, but it seems to me that Baerwald alignment seems to be more forgiving of IGD on used records than Stevenson.
 
I had a customer bring me a 95e with bad IGD. Didn't seem that old, but I didn't ask how many hours were on it. Popped a new stylus on and the IGD all disappeared.

That begs the question (two questions, actually) -- are these more subject to premature wear than other AT styli? Are there possibly QC issues in this line?

Not my favorite cart, but in general a good compromise between quality and affordability.
 
I've often wondered, how does that one differ from the AT-3600? I've run both and honestly haven't been able to tell the difference.

My favorite cartridge for the past several years running has been the Denon DL-300, which they stopped making some time ago. I have two of them now. Before that, it was the V15 Type II, of which I now have only one. :-P
 
Uh oh...

I wandered into the ambiguous "AT95E cartridge" thread...:crazy::no:

All kidding aside...this cartridge came standard on my turntable and I have experienced more negatives than positives with it (I won't bash it, because it's simply not fair and I do understand it "is what it is") including siblilant highs (even when running it at higher than 2.0 grams) and horrendous end-of-side distortion, that I still can't get rid of. Now, I know everyone is going to immediately turn to "your cart is out of alignment! The AT95E should have ZERO IGD!!" but I have read reviews from just as many people who have found they also could never get rid of the IGD with this cart...and that the only way was to upgrade to a microline like the 440. What's more, my tracking force and anti skate appear to be dialed in correctly (I'm using a digital gauge to measure stylus force) so...

Well, let me ask you, experienced AT95E folk: Is there an "ideal" weight you're running your carts at, or are you sticking with the recommended two grams? I have bumped my force up to 2.3 (still within the 2.5 max recommended) and while that's helped tame some sibilance, many 12-inch dance singles that have been cut hot still sound somewhat strident on "S" deliveries...and I still can't get rid of IGD on every piece of vinyl I play. Should I bump the AT95E up to 2.4 or even 2.5 on the tracking? If I can't seem to get rid of the inner groove distortion, should I move up to an Audio-Technica 440MLA, which I'm told does wonders with tracking those inner grooves?
2.2 grams, 2 antiskate, and Stevenson alignment all seem to do well on my AT95E (actually an AT3400 body with AT95E stylus). That, plus routinely cleaning the stylus after each side with Moongel.
 
I run one at 2.25 grams, anti-skate at about 2 on a Technics SL-1900.

If you are skipping at 2 grams, then something is wrong with either your records, your alignment or the tonearm bearings.
 
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