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dual cs 528... Any good?
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muovimies
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No experience with that one, but http://www.dual-reference.com/tableinx.htm
lini
just me...
dh: Basically a classic Dual middle-class model (which wasn't far from their top class back then), but in newer enclosure with front control and ULM arm (unfortunately with 2nd gen. proprietary ULM mount). Not a bad choice, if you like the visual appearance and the price is fair...
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
1tumbleweed
Kozmik Kowboy
Is the original cartridge there? If so, decent OEM styli are still available. If not, then you have a bit of a problem. Using anything other than the original cartridge (TKS55e) requires use of an adapter plate - scarce, and expensive.
If you find you need (or want) the TKS55e or the adapter plate, PM me.
Happy trails,
Larry B.
If you find you need (or want) the TKS55e or the adapter plate, PM me.
Happy trails,
Larry B.
1tumbleweed
Kozmik Kowboy
That's good news. If you need a replacement stylus, here's some choices:
JICO copy, decent quality $28 here:
http://www.turntableneedles.com/DUAL-DN155E-Needle-542-DEV_p_1143.html
Original Ortofon (pricey)
http://www.needledoctor.com/Ortofon-DN-155E-Stylus
In between you can find other varieties of DN155E. Stay away from Pfanstiehl. Styli for the OM5/10/20 series will also fit.
Happy trails,
Larry B.
JICO copy, decent quality $28 here:
http://www.turntableneedles.com/DUAL-DN155E-Needle-542-DEV_p_1143.html
Original Ortofon (pricey)
http://www.needledoctor.com/Ortofon-DN-155E-Stylus
In between you can find other varieties of DN155E. Stay away from Pfanstiehl. Styli for the OM5/10/20 series will also fit.
Happy trails,
Larry B.
I'll add the same warning I have done a few times lately.
Please don't remove the cartridge unless you have to. FYI, you do it by loosening the tiny screw on the top of the headshell, and then moving the handle back about 45 degrees. The cartridge will then almost drop off, but what people often do is force it back or, more likely, force the lever forward when the cartridge is being reinstalled but not held up against the shell properly. There are hook-like tabs on the top of the cartridge body that will easily break if you don't do this right. Replacement cartridges are rare and expensive usually.
Replacing the stylus however is easy enough without doing this as of course it will slide off. Get a good grip on the silver cartridge body when you do this as sometimes the old glue that holds the silver part into the black plastic portion will fail. That can be re-glued so is not that much cause for panic but better that it not happen at all.
Please don't remove the cartridge unless you have to. FYI, you do it by loosening the tiny screw on the top of the headshell, and then moving the handle back about 45 degrees. The cartridge will then almost drop off, but what people often do is force it back or, more likely, force the lever forward when the cartridge is being reinstalled but not held up against the shell properly. There are hook-like tabs on the top of the cartridge body that will easily break if you don't do this right. Replacement cartridges are rare and expensive usually.
Replacing the stylus however is easy enough without doing this as of course it will slide off. Get a good grip on the silver cartridge body when you do this as sometimes the old glue that holds the silver part into the black plastic portion will fail. That can be re-glued so is not that much cause for panic but better that it not happen at all.
1tumbleweed
Kozmik Kowboy
Andrew:
I really don't recommend trying to remove the stylus without separating the cartridge assembly from the arm. Doing it at the wrong angle risks breaking the tabs, too. Carefully removing the cartridge assembly, replacing the stylus off of the arm and then carefully replacing the assembly is the best way to do it. The key is being sure the assembly is up against the headshell, seated all the way, before locking it in place by rotating the fingerlift forward. If any resistance is felt, STOP and reseat the whole thing.
This design really is a PITA, but removing and reseating without damage can be done slowly and with caution.
Happy trails,
Larry B.
Granted Larry. :thmbsp:
If you are mindful of the downward angle of the cartridge body it should be ok but I know how things can happen. I find that the tiny screw scares me more. Ruining the head of it or losing the screw is also a possibility. I have moved the body from one that had broken tabs to one that had a bad body. Some crazy glue worked well there so I now have 2 working TKS types, one for a 508 and one on the 608. On my 608 the arm lift lever was actually bent, probably by someone who did not know to remove the screw.
If you are mindful of the downward angle of the cartridge body it should be ok but I know how things can happen. I find that the tiny screw scares me more. Ruining the head of it or losing the screw is also a possibility. I have moved the body from one that had broken tabs to one that had a bad body. Some crazy glue worked well there so I now have 2 working TKS types, one for a 508 and one on the 608. On my 608 the arm lift lever was actually bent, probably by someone who did not know to remove the screw.
1tumbleweed
Kozmik Kowboy
Scared of the tiny screw? Don't bother with it. The only purpose it serves is to keep the arm lift from moving backwards. I'm on my third 2nd generation Dual and I haven't used the screw yet. My first one - a 508 - never had it, with no ill results. So, on subsequent units, I've just removed it. I have two of them in a baggie right now.
Really, if you're the only one using the TT, just remember not to push the fingerlift back.:thmbsp:
Happy trails,
Larry B.
Really, if you're the only one using the TT, just remember not to push the fingerlift back.:thmbsp:
Happy trails,
Larry B.
Why should I avoid Pfanstiehl? I've heard some good things about them in gerneral. Thanks.
lini
just me...
On a sidenote, that's one important difference between the 1st and 2nd gen. proprietary ULM mount Ortofon carts: On the 1st gen. the screw in the middle holds the cart, and the second screw and the swivel-lever lock the needle - while on the 2nd gen. the little screw and the swivel-lever instead lock the cartridge. So if you're used to the second generation and one dayare confronted with a first generation model, please remember that and don't try to pull off the needle, before you've unlocked the needle lock.
And that's yet another reason, btw, why I've never been fond of Dual's proprietary ULM mounts in general and most so of the second generation...
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
And that's yet another reason, btw, why I've never been fond of Dual's proprietary ULM mounts in general and most so of the second generation...
Greetings from Munich!
Manfred / lini
Personally I have never had good luck with the Pfanstiehl replacement stylus. At best it's a crap shot, but in my experience, they have not been good.
1tumbleweed
Kozmik Kowboy
I wonder where you've heard good things about Pfanstiehl. Do a search on this forum and you'll find quite a bit of chatter about them, most of it negative.
The big problem with Pfanstiehl is their lack of quality control. One stylus might be fine, the next one awful. Jico is a far better choice, as is EVG. Read the part under "NOTE" on this page:
http://www.turntableneedles.com/DN145E-DN150E-DN152E-DN155E-DN160E-Needle-542-DE-copy_p_1141.html
The stylus with the "E" they're referring to is the Pfanstiehl.
Happy trails,
Larry B.
