Emotiva xsp2 ordered!

katana1100

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The long awaited xsp2 finally went on sale today, sold out in 30 min.
Features :
All full differential , even rca inputs
Built in DAC
Expansion space for later to be announced streamer
Improved sub crossover
 
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It appears to be a good piece of gear. Price is good too! Parasound now has some good competition.
 
I have the xsp1gen 2 and love it.
These preamps might be a bit controversial .
You can love them because the differential design reduces distortion and noise to a level where wow, it’s noticeably incredible !
But, others will diss it because to keep price affordable, they used lots of opamp chips instead of discrete circuitry .
I look forward to getting mine .
 
I’ve had several Emotiva DACs and preamps, all first-rate, … if you assume that everything lower price is inferior you are missing out on some great gear. My opinion.
 
I love my xsp1gen 2. That will go to another system of mine .
My other preamps were a nad 108 and carver c-1 that was modified by Pittsburgh hifi
The xsp was very quiet, like “not turned on quiet”, that differential design made things quiet and clean. Bat makes a balanced preamp , costs $30k!
 
Have it hooked up.
First impressions -
Sounds and looks good. One glaring omission ( compared to the gen 1 and gen 1 version 2) is lack of bass/treble control.
The previous preamps had trims for bass and treble , this one doesn’t .
Also, it has no m
I wonder why they left it out?
I prefer the old remote with defined buttons , this one you have to tap tap to get to what you want .
Also, previous remote was much bigger, harder to lose. I don’t know what the fascination is with manufactures making remotes as small and inconvenient as possible .
Here is a pic of of the remote from
Xsp1 and xsp2
Really, which would you find easier you use?
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Any problems experienced with your XSP1?
Do you know if its bass/treble control is digital?
The lack of tone controls in XSP2 could be explained with the info that they prepare a separate eq unit.
 
Also, it has no m
I wonder why they left it out?

What did you mean by "it has no m"?

Thanks for the remote comparison photo. I too am a little bummed by the smaller remote size. When you have used your XSP-2 for a while, some impressions of any differences in performance between it and your XSP-1 would be interesting to me, and for that, matter to the other pre's that you have used before. What power amp(s) are you using?

I looked through the manual, but it wasn't clear to me if the subwoofer(s) could be quickly turned on/off from the remote, or is the only real way to do this to just turn down the trim on sub output all the way? I ask because my current Parasound NC200 integrated has a nifty sub on/off button, which seems a little pointless...yet I end up using it rather a lot, toggling between 2.0 and 2.1, when my L/R are running full-range.
 
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Sorry, I’ll have to fix that - it has no balance control.
I have two systems in my msn cave , one is energy 2.8 Veritas , triamped with three nad 208 amps, preamp is nad 108, all connections xlr.
The nad 108 preamp will be replaced with the xsp1gen 2 preamp .
My main system in that same room is acoustat 2+2 stats, Jolida 1000brc amp ( el34 tube amp with 100wpc) . I started with modified carver c-1 preamp , then xsp1gen2, now xsp2.
I also have a Parasound xlr output equipped phono preamp
My ancient infinity ssw212 sub works so well with the xsp2 that I’ll keep it .
Can you turn the sub off from the preamp ? I think you can, it requires you to go into the menu.
I’d have to dbl check but I think it’s in the setup menu. Btw, all changes in the setup menu have to be done with the remote.
Right now , I have sub crossover set at 40hz, will try 60hz later. I’m still “ reassembling” my system as I have a carver speaker control box and a couple of cassette decks to connect to the tape in/out circuit
 
Btw, all changes in the setup menu have to be done with the remote.

Silly as it is----since I would always be using the remote to make adjustment where I could (and gratefully)---I find it just a wee bit unfortunate that adjustments could not also be performed on the physical interface on the faceplate of the unit. On the "minor features" positive side, though, looks like you can totally dim (turn off) the readout, which is a very nice option....I cannot do this with my little Parasound and it's lowkey irksome.

While I am voicing silly druthers, I wish the crossover allowed a continuous spectrum (what do you call this?) rather than pre-set 20Hz increments (40/60/80/100), as it appears to. Serious audiophiles might very well incorporate an external EQ (or DSP if they aren't fussy about the all-analog aspect) to fine-tune this, but as rare as a built-in high/low pass seems to be, it would be nice to put the crossover right where you want it, to the point. On the other hand, I have absolutely no idea if there is any advantage to this. It's how I fiddle with my Parasound NC200 and my Hsu sub's low-pass.

Thanks btw for your set-up info, Katana!
 
The old xsp1gen2 did have totally variable crossover . Problem was it was in the back ( hard to access) and had no markings- all I knew was far left meant 50hz.
As far as dsp , no.
This preamp took great pains jn being all analog, the crossover is an analog, volume control , it uses mechanical relays, etc.
It would defeat all this effort to toss in dsp.
Once an analog signal is introduced , each channel is split into TWO channels , one being 180 degrees out of phase. Before signal is sent to power amp , the phase on that channel 180 degrees out is reversed and combined with other same channel.
This cancels out any distortion / noise in the amplification .
Thats why it’s so clean sounding and very silent ,
Its like two preamps combined into one , all circuitry is doubled .
 
When the subwoofer outputs on the XSP2 are configured for "full range output" and "full stereo operation", does it mean they act the same as the main outputs, resulting in 4 main outputs in total?
 
The woofers will get signal from both stereo channels .
Full range output means full range ( 20-20kz) is sent to sub.
 
...it has no balance control [...]
[...]Btw, all changes in the setup menu have to be done with the remote.[...]

I might be misunderstanding, or you might have corrected this, but after I belatedly watched Emotiva's XSP-2 "build" overview video on Youtube, it looks like there is a balance control? At least they seem to show an adjustable left/right balance?
Also, they mention that the setup/options menu can be navigated and used via front panel buttons, not just the remote.

Re: the volume control on this preamp, I hope y'all will forgive an ignorant question, but per Emotiva,
"Audiophile quality ladder network Volume Control – The Rohm BD34701KS2 premium volume control chip provides precision, perfectly matched, fully balanced, and fully analog control for the analog signal paths inside the XSP-2, while offering the convenience and precision of digital control."

From a post from several years ago at Audiogon, poster 'Richtruss' glossed the different kinds of volume control [bold emphasis mine]:
A volume control is a voltage divider. To achieve this the sensitive signal must pass through either resistors or transformer windings. There will be two voltage dividers, one for each channel. It’s essential that these dividers achieve the same result for each channel, as the volume is varied, in order to maintain a good centred image. It is also essential that they don’t affect the signal in any way as they’re varied, ie, the sound quality is exactly the same at really low levels as at higher levels.
If the voltage divider is a potentiometer, then the material the resistive track is made from will effect the sound quality and the two resistive tracks must match exactly. If the divider is switched resistors, this gives the opportunity to use more precise channel matching, and ‘better sounding’ resistors. If the divider is windings on a transformer, you avoid resistors all together and can achieve perfect channel matching. The only other approach, and the best I’ve yet heard, is how Lyngdorf do it, which is not to vary the music signal itself, but to vary the PSU voltage to the output driver stage.
In order of sound quality from poor to best, its Potentiometer, Switched attenuators, transformer and finally Lyngdorf’s approach.
As the volume control quality improves, the sound stage becomes more stable, sound quality more consistent from low volume to high and transparency improves.

I've read other info that suggests that there are better and worse designs in any of these categories and that it's not very important to worry about which one is employed as long as it's designed competently. But out of curiosity: which of those categories does the XSP-2 "ladder network" volume control belong to? Seems like it's "switched attentuator"?

My stupidest question: there are no fans in this preamp, are there? I am not even sure that is such a thing. I looked for pictures of the insides of this pre but didn't see any at a glance. Does this unit get warm at all?
 
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