Just Been Scam'd on eBay

Yamaha B-2 said:
Definitely been scam'd. I'm out the listing fee. Unless eBay actually responds and does something. Which I very much doubt.
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My only real complaint about eBay is lack of traditional customer service. You never get to speak to anyone, you can only hope the electronic "resolution center") works out in your favor. Not terribly reassuring.

Out of 100 or so transactions on eBay, I've been burned once. It happened early on and I'm alot more careful now.

But I wish you could actually talk to someone.
 
I'm like alot of others using Ebay.. i don't use BIN in my auctions. It's helps keep those scammers from bidding on my things.

I really wish though Ebay could or would do more to help curb these scammers. I know they will cancel their account, but that hardly has any impact.. as they just sign up with 10 more accounts.

I wish that Ebay could somehow penalize them for scamming people. like for every auction that fail to pay on.. Ebay could charge their credit card $250 ha ha ha. How cool would that be? Plus Ebay would make a profilt and you'd get your money and not have to ship your item. I think that's fair for the scammers to have to bear some of the millions of dollars that are lost by all of this.
 
Yamaha B-2 said:
The guy with my scam has an address in Deltona, FL, not Nigeria. Africa did not show up in the equation until he sent me the e-mail concerning payment.
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Thanks for showing me this thread B-2- (I just posted a similar story in the "General Audio Discussion" forum- but this is a more appropriate place.)

My fraudulent "Buy It Now" came from the same place in Florida. My understanding is that the guy in Florida has, or had, a legitimate eBay account, but that it got hijacked somehow by the scammer. (I may not have this right.)

Thanks to all who responded to this thread. The advice given helps me too, if and when I need to try and get my listing fee back. Not a big deal- it was about $6, but worth trying to recover. eBay sure as hell shouldn't keep it.
 
Hey B-2, go check your eBay account- "My eBay" > "My Account" > "Seller Account".

My message from eBay about this scam said they had refunded "all fees associated with this auction".

I just checked and my "Seller Account" shows that the did, including the listing fee.
 
riverrat said:
Thanks for showing me this thread B-2- (I just posted a similar story in the "General Audio Discussion" forum- but this is a more appropriate place.)

My fraudulent "Buy It Now" came from the same place in Florida. My understanding is that the guy in Florida has, or had, a legitimate eBay account, but that it got hijacked somehow by the scammer. (I may not have this right.)

Thanks to all who responded to this thread. The advice given helps me too, if and when I need to try and get my listing fee back. Not a big deal- it was about $6, but worth trying to recover. eBay sure as hell shouldn't keep it.
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Looks like eBay DID inform you that your fees will be credited. I took this excerpt out of the letter you had posted;

"We have temporarily suspended the bidding account and we are working with the account owner to prevent any additional unauthorized activity. Since the account owner did not initiate these bids, fees resulting from the listings in question have been credited to your account"

The biggest pain is doing the WHOLE listing over again! Ebay deletes all of YOUR information although nothing on your part was inappropriate.

Better luck to both of you next go 'round.
 
The guy with my scam has an address in Deltona, FL, not Nigeria. Africa did not show up in the equation until he sent me the e-mail concerning payment.
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Yes, my scammer said that he lived in England, but it also turned out to be a fake address, and he wanted me to ship it to a certain address in Nigeria. I bet he keeps making new fake addresses to keep people from suspecting him. I think this was the nigerian address if I recall.
Salau Aliu
??????
Ibadan, Oyo State
Nigeria, 23402
I want somebody to drop a bomb there. If anyone wants his email to send him spam, then PM me.:D :naughty: :puke2: :finger: :pistols:
 
I saw the tv show doctorbongo speaks of,if they succeed in a scam they actually celebrate!!Jumping up and down in joy,handshakes,etc.etc.
Pretty damn sad......
 
Use the Buy It Now with Immediate payment thru Paypal. That way you avoid this problem. Thats what I do and I dont have a problem anymore.
Good Luck, Ebay should refund your listing fees also if you fill out the proper forms.
 
Yamaha B-2 said:
Definitely been scam'd. I'm out the listing fee. Unless eBay actually responds and does something. Which I very much doubt.
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No you aren't the listing fee.

When you do not receive payment you send out a non-paying bidder alert.

After 10 days you can go into the dispute console and flag him as a non-paying bidder.

If he does not respond, eBay will credit you.
 
The answer is to wait for the MO to clear and add that any excess funds will not be forwarded or returned. If he sends a MO.. wait for it to clear.. whatever the bank says is appropriate and SAFE time-frame and that the MO is non-cancellable prior to shipping.. Obviously, it won't clear..

Wonder who the MO will be drawn on..?
 
Why not put the piece in a monkey's ass and shoot it right over to him?
Tell him I said Umgawwa and have a nice day!
 
archie2 said:
Why not just say no international shipping?
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As an American living overseas, this is one of my pet peeves. I am cut off from a large part of the eBay sales, because of this increasingly common "no international shipping" policy, which is almost entirely an American phenomenon: sellers in other countries almost never say/do this. It makes Americans look very bad.

The vast majority of overseas buyers (and sellers) are legitimate, not scammers from Nigeria. Insist that payment from overseas buyers clears fully before shipment is made, sure, because recovering items sent overseas is more of a hassle and costlier, but don't ban international shipments altogether. Although technically every seller has the right to set their terms ("I only sell to redheads of Irish descent who buy me lunch on Tuesday afternoons at 2:00on cloudy days" is probably a legitimate term of sale), to adopt a blanket ban on international sales is, IMO, morally even worse than saying "no sales to blacks" or "no sales to jews" or "no sales to Poles", etc... because it excludes a larger number of people, who don't even have anything in common except they aren't located in the U.S.

The increasing number of American eBay sellers who asopt this policy tend to come across as arrogant, lazy, ignorant, incompetent, bigoted, narrow-minded, parochial, and/or out of touch with the global economy of the 21st century. International shipment is not difficult these days at all. People in countries with far less advanced shipping/transport networks than the US manage to do it, and the buyers pay for the higher shipping cost anyway, so what is the problem? Americans overwhelmingly had ancestors (and probably still have distant relatives) who used to live overseas, too... were (are) THEY automatically scammers or otherwise unworthy because they weren't in the US? Well over 90 percent of the planet's population lives outside the US. The "no international sales" crowd frustrates me and makes me almost ashamed to call myself an American!

Rant over.:D Just wanted to express a viewpoint that seldom gets expressed, but that I'm sure is felt by at least tens of thousands (and probably several million) of would-be overseas ebay buyers with cash payments ready --including thousands of Americans like myself, who just don't happen to be living in the US.
 
Arkay said:
As an American living overseas, this is one of my pet peeves. I am cut off from a large part of the eBay sales, because of this increasingly common "no international shipping" policy, which is almost entirely an American phenomenon: sellers in other countries almost never say/do this. It makes Americans look very bad.

The vast majority of overseas buyers (and sellers) are legitimate, not scammers from Nigeria. Insist that payment from overseas buyers clears fully before shipment is made, sure, because recovering items sent overseas is more of a hassle and costlier, but don't ban international shipments altogether. Although technically every seller has the right to set their terms ("I only sell to redheads of Irish descent who buy me lunch on Tuesday afternoons at 2:00on cloudy days" is probably a legitimate term of sale), to adopt a blanket ban on international sales is, IMO, morally even worse than saying "no sales to blacks" or "no sales to jews" or "no sales to Poles", etc... because it excludes a larger number of people, who don't even have anything in common except they aren't located in the U.S.

The increasing number of American eBay sellers who asopt this policy tend to come across as arrogant, lazy, ignorant, incompetent, bigoted, narrow-minded, parochial, and/or out of touch with the global economy of the 21st century. International shipment is not difficult these days at all. People in countries with far less advanced shipping/transport networks than the US manage to do it, and the buyers pay for the higher shipping cost anyway, so what is the problem? Americans overwhelmingly had ancestors (and probably still have distant relatives) who used to live overseas, too... were (are) THEY automatically scammers or otherwise unworthy because they weren't in the US? Well over 90 percent of the planet's population lives outside the US. The "no international sales" crowd frustrates me and makes me almost ashamed to call myself an American!

Rant over.:D Just wanted to express a viewpoint that seldom gets expressed, but that I'm sure is felt by at least tens of thousands (and probably several million) of would-be overseas ebay buyers with cash payments ready --including thousands of Americans like myself, who just don't happen to be living in the US.
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I don't thing it has anything to do with "The increasing number of American eBay sellers who asopt this policy tend to come across as arrogant, lazy, ignorant, incompetent, bigoted, narrow-minded, parochial, and/or out of touch with the global economy of the 21st century."

That for the most part is a load of crap. Its a hell of a lot easier (less of a PIA) packing/shipping/coordinating payment for a trip from Minnesota to Ohio or Florida than from Minnesota to lord only knows.

If I buy or sell on audiogon for example, everything is so much easier. PP/MO or personal check with no shipping before it clears. You actually even get to talk to the buyer/seller so everyone feels nice and smiley about the transaction.

The ugly american notion for everything has become tiresome. Your assessment of Americans who choose not to sell internationally is also.

RC (not a ebay seller... yet)
 
I'm in the middle of a transaction with a zero-feedback buyer who is in Ohio, but wants me to ship the goods to Russia. He paid via eCheck/Paypal. I waited for the payment to clear then shipped. He even paid an additional $20 because I ended up having to ship in two boxes instead of one. A real class guy.

I've had several international transactions, so far all have been great, but my eyes are alway open. Thanks to AK, I've seen and heard of just about every possible scamming angle.
 
Arkay - I'll be happy to ship my TA-N80ES to Hong Kong. As with anything I am selling. If you are will to pay the freight, I am willing to ship to you. But, that said, the usual response I get when I quote the shipping (with no mark-up, simply what USPS charges) is - that's too much money. I've sold a couple of items to Italy, but that is it. And I've been selling for over then years. They buyers almost always think it costs too much to ship.
 
I have and will continue to ship overseas as long as the buyer is willing to pay the costs associated with doing so. It is sometimes a bit harder as there is additional paperwork and I ship oversea via USPS which requires me to take the item to the Post Office. Not so fun as I am in a business district which can be time consuming as it is busy. However, this saves my buyers quite a bit as UPS and FedEx charge exhorbitant Brokerage fees.

Although there are many questions relating to shipping costs overseas for the items I sell, I realize many will find it too costly to move forward. This is just part of the sales process whether selling cars, houses or any other product. If it makes sese to the person buying, they will buy. I am actually surprised at how many International buyers are willing to cough up $325.00 to ship an MC-240 to Hong Kong and Taiwan as well as South Korea and Japan. Europeans seem to be a bit more frugal but I have dozens of buyers in Italy and Spain who have no problem paying $175.00 for shipping a McIntosh Tuner as it is still less costly than finding one over in europe wher the sellers raise prices drastically as these pieces are in limited supply. I just sold a McIntosh 2102 to a gentleman in Italy and a MA-2275 in England as it is still much cheaper (even though I had to use UPS due to size/weight limitations costing the buyer even more!) for them to buy from the U.S. even with shipping costs.

Sorry to go so far off OT from the original issue. It all goes back to what many have already stated. If someone asked you to take a MO and then request you send money back to them for overpayment, that should be a RED FLAG to any of us! If you wait until funds have cleared and only allow Cashiers checks payable through a Major U.S Bank clearnhouse for foreign payments (your local bank happily accepts these types of payments), there should be no issue. If accepting Paypal, use USPS Global Express Mail with Tracking to ensure you can prove to Paypal that item was delivered to the same address as registered on eBay, there is little risk. I have sold 100's of higher end pieces and not ONE problem in 5 years of selling overseas!

Just my experience and YMMV but if looking to sell for top dollar (that is why most of us sell, I believe!?), opening up to a worldwide marketplace will certainly increase your net. If scammers are using buy it now, limit it to Immediate Paypal payments only option which will certainly reduce some of your problems.

My 0.02
 
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