Lenco L75/PTP6

Yggdrasill

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I have been looking for a nice turntable for a while. I have a bunch of vinyl I haven't listened to in decades and am finally getting a listening room set up.

When I set up systems for my teens last year they both wanted turntables; got my son an entry Pioneer and my daughter an entry leveI Rega. Now I've got the vinyl bug too.

The world of turntables is a bit overwhelming, especially as different manufacturers take completely different routes - heavy plinth/light plinth, heavy tonearm/light tonearm, different drive mechanics, a dizzying array of cartridges and phono preamps. I've read a bunch but not listened to much. Then I came across a Lenco L75 rebuilt by the owner as a PTP6 (more about that here: http://www.ptpaudio.com/ptp-audio.html.). I had never heard about Lenco and I found the idler drive intriguing. I want something reliable that I don't need to fuss with, unless I were doing a restoration myself from scratch; but I really don't have time for that these days. Does this description below intrigue any of you? Any experience with the reliability of Lencos?

From the description: "The motor was completely gone over with new bronze bushings and proper grease. The bearing is a custom after market bearing housing (made in Europe). It's using an original idler wheel that I was able to acquire as a NOS. I also have an Idler wheel made by Audio Silente in Italy.
It's in a custom plinth that I made out of multiple layers of Baltic Birch plywood with a Maple veneered top, and 1/2" solid Purpleheart sides and tonearm board. There is a IEC connector allowing the use of a power cord of your choice. Speeds (33 and 45 only) are controlled with a Phoenix Engineering Eagle PSU amplifier and controller (25 watt model), with a Roadrunner Digital Tachometer. These are longer made but are highly sought after.

Included is a Jelco SA-750L tonearm (12") with Denon DL103 mounted in a Panzerholz wood body. The cartridge has less than 50 hours on it."
 
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Photos? I guess you can’t list the price.

I don’t think these Lencos need a speed controller. Perhaps the PSU amplifier makes the motor run a bit smoother but I really doubt it.

I got this excellent restored L70 (similar mods to yours) in a beautiful Baltic plinth for $250 CAD (and arm) just a year ago. I put a Grace 707 on it and love it, but honestly I can’t tell if it sounds any better than my stock L75/S. Even Nantais eventually admitted there was no real audible improvements with his multi-thousand dollar modded units, and he really only did those to make audiophiles take Lencos seriously. I’m not sure if he or anyone has done measurements.

It’s a great table, if in good shape. And that Jelco arm must be a good one. Not crazy about the nicely polished conical stylus on 103s, but that’s just me.

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I’m a big idler fan, worked on many different makes but never a Lenco, sounds like a nice table….every AC motor I’ve used a power supply with makes less noise and presents slightly better wow & flutter numbers.

The arm and custom Denon 103 would make up a huge amount of the value, 9 out of 10 people love the Denon’s but they need considerable weight to sound their best, that’s probably part of the reason for the wood body. Even if you don’t like it, wear it out and have a stylus of your choice put on it—absolutely one of the best values in cartridges today…

Andy
 
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Even Nantais eventually admitted there was no real audible improvements with his multi-thousand dollar modded units
That’s news to me. Do you by chance have a link to the article where he states this?

To the OP: if you can afford it (and I’m guessing this is not cheap) then this has pretty much every mod that can be done to a Lenco, save for maybe some fancy platter bearing.
 
Sounds like a great build and if he’s got a speed controller, that is nice too. You should get it, I can’t think too many people would want to sell theirs.

They are very reliable if everything is in order, there’s almost nothing to go wrong with it. They are the simplest idler, especially in PTP6 form. Just an electric motor and an idler wheel, that’s pretty much it. If you have a NOS wheel and also the audio silente one you should be in great shape for the future.
 
That’s news to me. Do you by chance have a link to the article where he states this?

To the OP: if you can afford it (and I’m guessing this is not cheap) then this has pretty much every mod that can be done to a Lenco, save for maybe some fancy platter bearing.
I think it is somewhere in the hundreds of pages of the Building Turntables from Home Despot II thread over on Audiogon. Not sure I will be able to find it.

Adnick, I tried using an old VPI PCL on my L70 and L75 and it wouldn’t work with it. Is there a list of speed controllers that work well with Lencos?
 
The Roadrunner PSU works with the Lenco motor. There is a whole thread about it on Lenco Heaven.

It may be the same thread, but there is also a discussion about building the equivalent since the Roadrunner hasn't been available for a while now.
 
I think it is somewhere in the hundreds of pages of the Building Turntables from Home Despot II thread over on Audiogon. Not sure I will be able to find it.

Adnick, I tried using an old VPI PCL on my L70 and L75 and it wouldn’t work with it. Is there a list of speed controllers that work well with Lencos?

As I’ve said, no personal experience with the Lenco but did collect enough parts to build a couple of Nigel’s speed control/psu from Lencoheaven, used them with my 301, Russco, Fairchild 412, and ROK TR43H, it controls the voltage and Hz separately….there’s a different type voltage & Hz control on EBay advertising for Fairchild & ROK tables but don’t know anything firsthand about it…

As recommended above, Lencoheaven is the place to search for appropriate devices…

Andy
 
That’s news to me. Do you by chance have a link to the article where he states this?

To the OP: if you can afford it (and I’m guessing this is not cheap) then this has pretty much every mod that can be done to a Lenco, save for maybe some fancy platter bearing.
Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I can tell you it is NOT cheap. And the seller is firm on their price. So I'm still thinking about it because there are a lot options at that price level.
 
Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I can tell you it is NOT cheap. And the seller is firm on their price. So I'm still thinking about it because there are a lot options at that price level.
Well that’s certainly a premium package, not sure what the table mods cost, 12” arms are fairly expensive, and I’d want a 12” arm, custom plinths are also costly, especially if paying someone to build. Even my diy power supply/speed control was a few hundred dollars in parts, and a wood body stock DL 103 are generally worth their original cost….

You’d have say what tables you consider comparable options?

Andy
 
I think it is somewhere in the hundreds of pages of the Building Turntables from Home Despot II thread over on Audiogon. Not sure I will be able to find it.
I've been through that thread recently and didn't see anything that suggested such. I would be quite interested to see the comments as well.
 
(EDIT: Posting too quickly. I see the OP is referring to something a little different. Mine is a PTP Solid 9 directly from PTP. Sorry.)

I have one.
Mine has the speed controller and the bearing upgrade. I'm using the Sorane SA-1.2 arm with a Denon DL 103R.
I use this as my main turntable. I use a second for mono.
Previously my main table was a restored Technics SP15 with the EPA 250 arm system. It sounded great.
When I set up the PTP and Sorane for the first time I was stunned at the improvement. This is the first time that's ever happened with any piece of gear including speakers.
The fellow that was here (he set up my arm/cart...I had never installed an arm before) had professional high end experience going back 40 years and he was surprised as well.
The Technics is now my mono table and even though it gets 10% the use of the PTP Solid 9, I'm still trying to figure out how I could ever afford to upgrade that one to another PTP!
Herb Reichert did a nice review in April of 2023 with the Sorane...

 
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Adnick, Top class 12'' arms are not that expensive, you can buy one from as little as $450. And they sound glorious on a reconditioned Lenco. I know I have got one.

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I think that a lot of other factors are more important that long tonearms.

They improve tracking errors a bit, that's true, but they are harder to accommodate and may also sacrifice rigidity.

Personally I have never heard any issues with my 9 inchers that I believe would improve with adding length.

My wife may think differently ;)
 
Adnick, Top class 12'' arms are not that expensive, you can buy one from as little as $450. And they sound glorious on a reconditioned Lenco. I know I have got one.

Cheers
There’s always exceptions to a rule, that’s another rule :-) I’ve got a wood EMT Bannana arm from Eastern Europe that’s a decent 12” arm for just a couple hundred bucks, but it wouldn’t add much if any value to the above turntable….

The point still stands that the tonearm package on the aforementioned table holds it’s aftermarket value.

However long arms with a strong or widespread reputation for being “good to great” arms start around $1k and go skyward….

Have many good 9” arms, one is excellent, but my best arm is a 12”, and if I’m building custom plinths they generally accommodate 12” arms.

admittedly I’m not into extremely high dollar arms in 9 & 12 inch versions with legendary reputations and legendary price’s :thumbsup:

Andy
 
I have been looking for a nice turntable for a while. I have a bunch of vinyl I haven't listened to in decades and am finally getting a listening room set up.

When I set up systems for my teens last year they both wanted turntables; got my son an entry Pioneer and my daughter an entry leveI Rega. Now I've got the vinyl bug too.

The world of turntables is a bit overwhelming, especially as different manufacturers take completely different routes - heavy plinth/light plinth, heavy tonearm/light tonearm, different drive mechanics, a dizzying array of cartridges and phono preamps. I've read a bunch but not listened to much. Then I came across a Lenco L75 rebuilt by the owner as a PTP6 (more about that here: http://www.ptpaudio.com/ptp-audio.html.). I had never heard about Lenco and I found the idler drive intriguing. I want something reliable that I don't need to fuss with, unless I were doing a restoration myself from scratch; but I really don't have time for that these days. Does this description below intrigue any of you? Any experience with the reliability of Lencos?

Lencos are as reliable as trucks, and if it has a PTP6 then it would be even more attractive. Spare parts are all over the world, you can upgrade them and mod them and repair them for decades.
 
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