Save Sacd !!

exracer

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the link here is for a petition from a web magazine to forward to Sony and others to rekindle the interest of SACD and keep the format going for the future. They want 10,000 signatures and have about 2000 already. If you value this format please let it be known.

SACD Petition
 
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2874 at this time. I hope to hell that they keep it alive. It's the best digital format that we have. I love SACD. I just wish I could afford more.
 
The problem is, if they continue to pour resources into it to continue to try to push it, they'll end up at a financial loss, and that'll just piss them off and make them want to kill it. It's a niche market, it always was, it always will be. If they had just marketed it as such, they could have been rolling in dough.

But they're probably getting out/backing off because they're working on the next big thing, and it's almost to market.
 
:thmbsp: Honestly it was nice enough but not needed or wanted in the marketplace. Ubiquity and flexibility is what people want and SACD doesn't have either. It's one less format for Sony to waste resources on when they could be spending money on reintroducing elcaset- kidding... Like my DAT- I love it for the perfect format it once was, not is.
 
I could be WAY OFF, so correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SACD just CD's made in surround instead of two channels? If that's all it is, who cares? The average Joe that wants to hear music "all around him" from his bose accoustimass setup? Well, I don't really care about him. So be it.

Now, if I have missed something, let me know..Otherwise, this one can go the way of the laser disc, betamax and the 8 track...No tears here.:no:
 
marantzfan said:
I could be WAY OFF, so correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SACD just CD's made in surround instead of two channels? :
See attached link. SACD comes in both 2 channel and surround, many come with 3 versions on one disc called Hybrid. A regular redbook version which can play on all pLayers and a 2 channel and 5.1 version in the SACD format.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacd

marantzfan said:
If that's all it is, who cares? The average Joe that wants to hear music "all around him" from his bose accoustimass setup? Well, I don't really care about him. So be it.:
I don't think it's the average joe who's buying SACD my system is just a little bit better than a Blose system and so are my friends who are into SACD.

marantzfan said:
Now, if I have missed something, let me know..Otherwise, this one can go the way of the laser disc, betamax and the 8 track...No tears here.:no:

For surround I think SACD is the best format out there, beats both DVDaudio and DTS. But for 2 channel I've been impressed with every XRCD CD I've purchased so far and they play on all players. If Sony doesn't react unfortunatly it may go the way of Beta.

Just my .02
 
Sacd

If you want Sony to continue to produce, promote and sell SACD, the answer is simple, buy Sony SACD's.
 
marantzfan said:
I could be WAY OFF, so correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SACD just CD's made in surround instead of two channels? If that's all it is, who cares? The average Joe that wants to hear music "all around him" from his bose accoustimass setup? Well, I don't really care about him. So be it.

Now, if I have missed something, let me know..Otherwise, this one can go the way of the laser disc, betamax and the 8 track...No tears here.:no:


I could care less about the surround part as well, but if you have the opportunity to listen to a hybrid disc (SACD and Redbook layers)that is meticulously produced, such as the Linn discs from Linn records, (and then you can be sure that they dont influence the sound for perceived SACD benefits to sell more players, like Sony might), on a real hi-fi system, you cant help but notice the SACD benefits, which include more realism, air, more fluid and natural sounding music from just 2 channels. And no, I do not own yet an SACD player, but after hearing what I heard you may be interested in one also ! :thmbsp:

for the quality and love of music it will survive !
 
exracer said:
I could care less about the surround part as well, but if you have the opportunity to listen to a hybrid disc (SACD and Redbook layers)that is meticulously produced, such as the Linn discs from Linn records, (and then you can be sure that they dont influence the sound for perceived SACD benefits to sell more players, like Sony might), on a real hi-fi system, you cant help but notice the SACD benefits, which include more realism, air, more fluid and natural sounding music from just 2 channels. And no, I do not own yet an SACD player, but after hearing what I heard you may be interested in one also ! :thmbsp:

for the quality and love of music it will survive !

Alright, I'll have to take a closer look at SACD it seems.:scratch2:
 
I'm going to be the negative nelly and say that SACD and DVD-A are going to become extinct or very expensive (in comparison) in the near future. :sigh:

I mean the average idiot is out there buying music in mp3 format only, regular cd's are themselves in danger not to mention the exotic formats like SACD and DVD-A (both of which I have).

Mp3 players are very convient and sexy with their ability to store photos and videos (although why someone would want to watch anything, much less a movie on anything smaller than a 20" - 30" screen is beyond me) to view on a flashy screen and that's what matters to the average consumer: a portable, sexy, multi-media device. Convience is what matters, sound and picture quality be damned. :no:

Case in point: My sister is a big Rush fan like me, and I of course went out and bought the new album on cd (and have preordered the MVI DVD version as well) and she simply borrowed it and ripped it to her computer Itunes so she could play it on her Ipod despite my protests that she just buy the cd for a whole freakin $10 and have superior sound and the fantastic artwork and lyrics as well in a whole package. Nope, that's not convient and it's not free: she doesn't care about higher fidelity sound and she and my brother in law both listen to music in the mp3 format through their Ipods or their computer with cheap portable headphones or silly little Ipod or computer "stereo" tiny portable speakers. They have burned all of their cd's to their computer and haven't bought any in years: if they want new music they buy from Itunes or rip a cd from a friend (or me!).

This is all despite the fact that they have a vintage perfect condition Technics SA 5370 receiver and Sony cd player and decent Advent bookshelf speakers hooked up to it. They hardly ever use this small but at least real stereo system to play music and it collects dust while they "listen" to music through mp3's on their Ipods or computer. (This aggravates me to no end: I've listened to their Technics with my stereo and it sounds just as good or better than my Pioneer SX-650 and Kenwood KR-7600. And they got it for free from my brother in laws dad who had it stored in the basement unused for years, it's in mint condition and would go for about $200, but they won't sell it too me even though I don't see them every really using or appreciating it :no: ).

And why don't they use their superior sounding conventional stereo? Because it is more trouble to load up a single cd than to shuffle and pick from hundreds or thousands of songs that are stored on a computer or mp3 player at a few clicks of a mouse or Ipod screen scroller. It's that simple. They nor the average consumer don't care about the fidelity they are missing by using the mp3 format and bad sounding source devices like a stock computer sound card, Ipod, cheap headphones, or computer "stereo" speakers (in comparison to their conventional stereo components, I'm not saying that some mp3 players, headphones, computer sound cards, and computer stereos don't sound good, just that they are expensive relative to the same quality or higher that can be attained from conventional stereos, and that theirs are definitely cheap and low quality compared to their Technics/Sony/Advent stereo system).

Accessibility and convenice will win out over superior sound for the average consumer anyday, much to the detriment of those who prefer the highest quality audio they can attain in a given price range. :sigh:

PS: Signed. :smoke:
 
The stores in my area stopped selling SACD and DVD-A discs two years ago. Kinda late to petition to keep SACD alive. It used to be that most people thought that CDs were fine: apparently even THAT'S no longer true, as downloads are outselling CDs now..

Remember: "good enough" is good enough... especially where the money and mass market is.

Tom
 
marantzfan said:
I could be WAY OFF, so correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SACD just CD's made in surround instead of two channels?
No, it's a much higher resolution also. In fact, the multichannel part was an afterthought. You really need to hear the two, it's like the difference between a record and CD.
 
I got into SACD and DVD-A four of five years ago,then sold off my player,since I thought it was all about surround sound,too.When I picked up my Oppo a few months ago,I got a few discs again,and was amazed by the 2 channel playback.Unfortuneately,the only discs I could find were the ones leftover from when I was buying them 4 years ago.The new Best Buys and Circuit Cities dont stock them,so only the same ones left unsold all these years are left.So that should give us a clue why Sony will end up killing SACD........
Jimmy
 
New SACD

2DualsNotEnough said:
Unfortuneately,the only discs I could find were the ones leftover from when I was buying them 4 years ago.The new Best Buys and Circuit Cities dont stock them,so only the same ones left unsold all these years are left.
There are enough online sellers of SACD and DVD-A to make finding most of the released discs easy to find. New SACD's are being released by many small labels and there are even occasional DVD-A new releases also. Seek and yea shall find.
 
I don't have a SACD player right now but I had to sign to support my AK friends. They are only up to 2889, we need more people to sign. :yes:

Victor
 
tcdriver said:
There are enough online sellers of SACD and DVD-A to make finding most of the released discs easy to find. New SACD's are being released by many small labels and there are even occasional DVD-A new releases also. Seek and yea shall find.

True, and I have only gotten into SACD and DVD-A just this winter. I bought a multiformat DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-A player so I'd have the option to play them as well as regular cds. The Police and Depeche Mode sound great in SACD format, and I am a dedicated 2.1 stereo user, I hate surround sound.
 
Never heard one. But after cassettes, RTRs, 8-tracks, all variations of vinyl, DATs and CDS, is it really realistic for the consumer to shift formats yet again? There are plenty of people around who have dealt with all of the above.

But I will sign anyway.
 
just signed, thanks for the heads-up

this has prob. been thought of already, but i'm going to post on CL about the petition. maybe everybody could do the same in their respective cities.
 
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