Why Tube Gear?

I'm in the same boat as Mark. I want to get into tubes, and have been looking for a nice Fisher or Scott for a little while, but I'm a little afraid of all the talk about speaker efficiency. I have a pair of Dynaco A-25's and a pair of Scott H-15's that I've been saving for when I make the leap. I figured these speakers were both in production when amps were either tubed or voiced to match tubes. Will these work, or will I be thinking about new speakers as well? Budget is an issue. I also have a bunch of tubes I've been collecting, thinking about building a little amp of my own. Will these speakers work? I don't really care for the sound of horns...
 
My ST-70 is driving a pair of Bang & Olufsen S75 speakers. They are rated at 4 ohm impedance and 75 watts continuous/100 watt peak. These speakers were produced in the late 80s. I do not know the eff. rating, but I would guess they are around 89db 1w/1m. The amp does not have any problem driving them.
 
I'm in the same boat as Mark. I want to get into tubes, and have been looking for a nice Fisher or Scott for a little while, but I'm a little afraid of all the talk about speaker efficiency. I have a pair of Dynaco A-25's and a pair of Scott H-15's that I've been saving for when I make the leap. I figured these speakers were both in production when amps were either tubed or voiced to match tubes. Will these work, or will I be thinking about new speakers as well? Budget is an issue. I also have a bunch of tubes I've been collecting, thinking about building a little amp of my own. Will these speakers work? I don't really care for the sound of horns...

I've tried Polk LSI-7's and LSI-15 with the Fisher KX-200, and there is sufficient drive for most music. The Polk's are 87 or 88db at 1 watt, and they sound wonderful with the Fisher unit (that vifa tweeter is outstanding with tubes!). If you also have a powered sub, then you can really crank it up a bit more.
 
If you get an amp with some oomph behind it, your Dynaco A-25s might work just great. I've heard them on an ST-70 and they sounded great. Now I wouldn't say the put out huge SPLs but, for sane listening (yeah, I know), you should be good with an ST-70 class amp and the A-25 speaker combination. I'm not sure about your other speakers as I've not heard them with tubes.

I'm using KLH Model 17s with a vintage Bogen RP 60 receiver and they sound great and I can certainly get enough gain in them to be uncomfortable in the room with the system. I listen to jazz, rock, classical, country, Western swing--lots of things. It all sounds pretty good through tubes and, with the right speakers, I'm guessing the more bass-heavy styles of music would sound great as well. That might not be your A-25s, however, as they are not bass monsters either. Great speakers but just not ones to crank out super-loud bass if that's what your music does.

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I don't own any super high end equipment, but here is my take on things anyways.

Let me start off by saying I enjoy both solid state, and tubed equipment. Alot of it depends on the music you listen too. I listen to mostly vocals, and acoustic. I find tubes are very pleasing to my musical tastes. If your into techno, rap, or anything that has allot going on at once. I've found that my tubes systems do not excel in this musical format.

What draws me to tubes, is how smooth, and natural sounding they are. That smoothness might be considered distortion, but at the same time its an effect that sounds good to me. For the type of music I prefer to listen too, when I take a tubed component out of my system, I usually miss it.
 
I don't own any super high end equipment, but here is my take on things anyways.

Let me start off by saying I enjoy both solid state, and tubed equipment. Alot of it depends on the music you listen too. I listen to mostly vocals, and acoustic. I find tubes are very pleasing to my musical tastes. If your into techno, rap, or anything that has allot going on at once. I've found that my tubes systems do not excel in this musical format.

What draws me to tubes, is how smooth, and natural sounding they are. That smoothness might be considered distortion, but at the same time its an effect that sounds good to me. For the type of music I prefer to listen too, when I take a tubed component out of my system, I usually miss it.

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let me sum it all up! audition some tube gears, borrow,mug,rob whatever you need to do get your hand on one any one then you will know what you need to do.
 
I'm still a relative newcomer in my conversion to tubes. My first, and likely last "real" tube amp is my ever delightful Yaqin MC-10L II.

I've owned a lot of solid state stuff, and most of it was very good, and there were a few "amazing" pieces as well that really knocked my socks off. However, the vast, vast majority of solid-state amps, integrateds, and receivers that I have owned cannot hold a candle to this amp, or for the better part of the tube stuff I've heard.

I personally don't buy into the solid-state vs. tube power idea- watts are watts, and 20 solid state watts is the same as 20 tube watts. What tubes have going for them, though, is the innate soft-clipping ability that helps to keep the waveform of the signal from actually being "clipped". Instead of hitting the voltage rails hard for all they've got and cutting off the top of the sine wave (as does a solid state amp), a tube amp more or less just ceases to output any more power as the limits are approached. This does give the benefit of headroom, and lower distortion when reaching the limits of the circuit.

However, I do subscribe to the superior midrange theory. Boy Wonder and I were listening to my system, and I switched back and forth between a very good fully solid state setup and the all-tube Yaqin. Indeed it was hard to put a finger on it, but for some reason the tube amp just sounded "right". After some further listening, I came to the conclusion that it was the vocal and midrange where the magic was happening. Tubes just do something to that range that is so right. So easy, clean, detailed, and nearly holographic. With a solid state setup, you might be able to choose two of those, and usually it will be the "clean, detailed" part.

There can be a certain synergy in the bass regions between a good tube amp and a speaker. This synergy is not always present, and can sometimes lead to either bloated and indistinct bass or thin and wavering. However, when this synergy is in play, the results are at least as good as a solid state amp, and, in my opinion, better. A solid state amp with a higher dampening factor (those with output transformers a la McIntosh and Sansui excepted) will generally be able to control woofer movement more precisely, meaning that it is "high fidelity" in a stricter sense. However, a tube amp, with good output transformers, can sometimes induce a more natural bass decay without smudging the tone. Even still, the DF of many tube amps is at least 10, and some are higher, which is sufficient for most speakers.

The high-end on a tube amp is another special place, where there can be some real magic at work. It should stand for something that many manufacturers of solid state amps strive for a "tube-like" quality to the higher frequencies, generally well regarded for fluid, natural, airy, non-fatiguing, high-resolution sound.

Now that is not to say that tubes are the end-all/be-all. Indeed, I am compelled to keep a solid state system around for when a speaker is not, shall we say, synergistically paired with the Yaqin. A tube amp, generally, will be more sensitive to variations in speaker impedance and how it reacts than a solid state amp will. A speaker that sounds bloated or thin on a tube amp can sound perfectly fine on a good solid state amp. Really current hungry speakers, such as Infinity, will almost certainly need a solid state amp to perform to spec, even though a tube amp may have an appropriate 2 or 4 ohm output tap. Tube amps are also demanding in terms of maintenance, and replacing worn tubes can be costly. Indeed, a matched quad of output tubes (for your typical EL34/6L6/KT88, whatever) for a common PP tube amp can exceed $100. For heavy users, this is almost a yearly charge. Vintage tube amps, particularly those of breeding and high pedigree can be very costly to obtain let alone properly restore, making the cost of entry high for those without a lot of disposable income. This can be doubly a turn-off if you look at an entry level tube amp for $500-$1000, and getting you 20-60WPC, and you see that the same money buys you perhaps a solid 200-250WPC in solid state. Speaking of power, I've found that there are times when sometimes brute-force power and panache is called for and even 50 "tube watts" just cannot compete with a solid 200+ watts for dynamic range and volume.
 
Tim614 is right. I have to find a way to hook a good tube integrated to my different speakers and then let my ears decide.

M Jarve-The Yaqin MC-10L II is the amp I currently have my eye on. I am not sure I can get better bang for the buck for less than $500 shipped . And, I can always roll tubes later if I don't like the stock version. How hard can that be? That thing is f'n beautiful, too. I know vintage is nice but I have been down that road. My beloved Marantz 2245 is currently in Cali getting rebuilt from the ground up. I have a Marantz 1060 on a shelf in my basement awaiting a re-cap. I have virtually done a total refurb on my Large Advents. And did I mention that I do not have the time or technical expertise to do the work myself.

I want plug and play.
 
As a tube newbie I thank Mark Walters for asking this question. The AK answers help me a great deal.
 
For me it's motivation. Motivation to get my house renovation finished so I can dig out the Fisher X-101D, debug the power supply problem, then see how she sounds with my garage sale ARs. I KNOW the results were thunderous with my Altec Model Nines...I need to hear her with the ARs. Of course, then there's the Heathkit gear that needs to be debugged & mated up to the Model Fifteens.....ay yi yi.
 
It's been a very long time since I listened to music on a "hollow-state" rig, but I can honestly say that in the realm of shortwave listening, tube receivers are far superior to SS or modern digital as far as overall performance and "feel" of the audio. I've owned - or at least tried - quite a number of high-end modern receivers and just can't deal with the frigid, brittle sound they provide. I'll stick with my 50's/early 60's vintage National and Hammarlund rigs.
 
I have no set budget. That is because I am still not sure what I am looking for. Although I know I can spend a lot, I am still always going to look for bang for the buck. I need nothing fancy.

Does it have to be Pretty?

Dynaco's ST-70, Eico's Hf series or ST series are pretty good but ugly, they reck of '60 styling. and on flea bay can be had for pretty cheap. McIntosh make higher end stuff but spendy. MIddle of the road Scott, Fisher even Heathkit might be a good starting point...
 
Don't get me wrong. I love vintage gear and in many cases prefer the look. I haven't seen a modern receiver that has the outright beauty of a Marantz receiver. The older SS gear with the blue VU meters and silver faces are pure artwork. My NAD integrated is as bland and basic as it gets.

I WOULD buy a vintage piece that has been fully restored and ready to rock and roll. And, out of vintage equipment I like the Dynaco integrated amps in the same way I love my nearly mint Dynaco A-25's.

Oh, another question. I know purists use flat settings only. Do tubes have better sounding bass than their SS counterparts???!!!
 
Don't get me wrong. I love vintage gear and in many cases prefer the look. I haven't seen a modern receiver that has the outright beauty of a Marantz receiver...

Have you ever seen a Marantz 9? :-)

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