Toasted Almond
RIP 1952-2016
Frowning at his speakers.
What reputation has Cerwin Vega got?
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"Don't recall anyone even hinting about build quality."
C,mon Brudha, you're waffling.
The term "white van" implies the use of cheap parts and shoddy construction and a product sold under the pretense that it's of higher quality than it actually is. None of which is true of CV.
C,mon Brudha, you're waffling.
The term "white van" implies the use of cheap parts and shoddy construction and a product sold under the pretense that it's of higher quality than it actually is. None of which is true of CV.
Brudha
Shania before Mark Twain
Tom Brennan said:"Don't recall anyone even hinting about build quality."
C,mon Brudha, you're waffling.
Not waffling at all. You assumed something and tried running the flag up the flag pole with this assumption trying to make a point that people weren't even disputing or discussing.
Have you heard White Van? They actually DO work and sound half-ass just like CV's.
What are speakers anyway to most people? Are they a piece of furniture that you pull apart and just admire the construction? Personally, I prefer to sit down and let the cabinets 'speak' to me in an angelic manner with the drivers working in a synchronous manner..........
whyaskit
music.
Running a CV sub for HT, not the most refined bass but plenty of it, excellent for the HT application (watching Star Wars Episode I, not my fav but any Star Wars and I'm good).
My best friend had a pair of the large floorstanders 15" woofer, 2 mids and a horn/ peizo looking tweeter, I didn't care for it, but he loved it. He was into Front 242 and the like as well as rock. I like a little more smoothness in my sound.
My best friend had a pair of the large floorstanders 15" woofer, 2 mids and a horn/ peizo looking tweeter, I didn't care for it, but he loved it. He was into Front 242 and the like as well as rock. I like a little more smoothness in my sound.
" You assumed something and tried running the flag up the flag pole with this assumption trying to make a point that people weren't even disputing or discussing."
If not then why when I said CV quality was on a par with JBL and Altec did you reply..........
"Altec and JBL? Come on now, now I know you're joking around"
Do you deny that "white van" implies cheap and shoddy?
You're waffling. And I'm mad as a hatter for even for giving a good goddam. Good Night.
If not then why when I said CV quality was on a par with JBL and Altec did you reply..........
"Altec and JBL? Come on now, now I know you're joking around"
Do you deny that "white van" implies cheap and shoddy?
You're waffling. And I'm mad as a hatter for even for giving a good goddam. Good Night.
Toasted Almond
RIP 1952-2016
"Nice car!"
"Yeah, it's built pretty solid."
"How does it handle?"
"Rolls over at the drop of a hat."
"Gas mileage?"
"She's good for about 3mpg."
"How's the ride?"
"Pretty stiff, you feel every bump and the road/engine noise is horrible."
"Can you put the whole family in it?"
"Not if you want to take luggage. The trunk is miniscule."
"Can I ask why you...."
"Well, it's built pretty solid."
"Yeah, it's built pretty solid."
"How does it handle?"
"Rolls over at the drop of a hat."
"Gas mileage?"
"She's good for about 3mpg."
"How's the ride?"
"Pretty stiff, you feel every bump and the road/engine noise is horrible."
"Can you put the whole family in it?"
"Not if you want to take luggage. The trunk is miniscule."
"Can I ask why you...."
"Well, it's built pretty solid."
Brudha
Shania before Mark Twain
Tom Brennan said:
What is the definition of quality when talking about the pros and cons of CV's? To me it's SOUND 'quality'. As such, when the topic gets changed to a reference to Altec and JBL, one believes it's still about SOUND 'quality'.....
No, I don't deny that White Van denotes cheap and shabby (as in both sound and build)
Let's turn this around another way and just say:
White Van = Cerwin Vega
MarkAnderson
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So just who the hell went around and pissed in everybody's Corn Flakes this morning.
thedelihaus
Nocturnal transmissions
Brudha said:
I'm not picking a fight here. Sorry if it came across, or comes across as that. My apologies.
Tom Brennen did however make a stastement earlier about build quality, on page two.
Tom Brennan said:
tom was referencing build quality. His statement on build quality might have been misinterpreted as referencing sound quality. I'm just giving credit to Tom for a factual statement, as he never said that the sound quality rivalled JBL or Lansing.
Build quality was good on many CV models, and if the sound was more refined in more of the models offered, they'd be respected more.
But as it seems, the goal of CV was to build a speaker of quality parts and cabinetry, for a less critical ear, that just wanted to rock, a speaker that played loud, efficient, and powerful, if somewhat (or very) raw and unrefined.:thmbsp:
Toasted Almond said:
I probably shouldn't have, but I laughed really, really hard at this.:yes:
Brudha
Shania before Mark Twain
thedelihaus said:
Was I or anyone previously questioning build quality though?
Cerwin Vega did produce some nice and colorful surrounds for their woofers. These surrounds are on par with the very best surrounds ever made by all the top manufacturers of the time. They drew rave reviews by most discriminating audiophiles who previously grew accustomed to the drab grey. They are every bit as good as the accordian cloth and rubber consistencies which also tended to go greyscale. The engineering foresight into the composition materials is top notch to draw out the unique orange color.
It was truly a technical marvel and still considered as such to this day; a timeless jewel..........
thedelihaus
Nocturnal transmissions
Okay, I'm reading you loud and clear there, brudha.
As I said, I wasn't trying to attack you, or your views.
And even if your opinion differs from mine, I aim to respect them.
Jeffn's original post was vague about it all. He asked as a brand, were they known as high quality, or middle of the road, or other. Not specifically about the sound. See below...
seems to me he's asking a general question that can cover sound, build quality, and maybe a few other elements, like marketing, sales, ect.
So, as a brand are they known for high quality or middle of the road or other? As a brand, high quality cabinets and driver build.
If he said sound, which maybe he implied, bit didn't specifically say, then I'd have said, as a brand, middle of the road, with a few nice examples that are decent, even good, if not very good.
that's all.
As I said, I wasn't trying to attack you, or your views.
And even if your opinion differs from mine, I aim to respect them.
Jeffn's original post was vague about it all. He asked as a brand, were they known as high quality, or middle of the road, or other. Not specifically about the sound. See below...
jeffn said:
seems to me he's asking a general question that can cover sound, build quality, and maybe a few other elements, like marketing, sales, ect.
So, as a brand are they known for high quality or middle of the road or other? As a brand, high quality cabinets and driver build.
If he said sound, which maybe he implied, bit didn't specifically say, then I'd have said, as a brand, middle of the road, with a few nice examples that are decent, even good, if not very good.
that's all.
Thede
No sense trying to explain to Brudha because he already knows, he's just acting obtuse and perverse to amuse himself.
Like in the Monty Python sketch where a guy pays for an argument but only gets contradiction.
No sense trying to explain to Brudha because he already knows, he's just acting obtuse and perverse to amuse himself.
Like in the Monty Python sketch where a guy pays for an argument but only gets contradiction.
Brudha
Shania before Mark Twain
Tom Brennan said:
Looks to me like you're the one contradicting the pure essence of the thread which has to do with SOUND.
Who the hell cares about the thick, cheesy vinyl cabinets or the drivers if the sound doesn't get produced in a cohesive manner? Of what importance does this have to do with anything in the scheme of trying to articulate sound?
If you want to talk build quality of the drivers and it was on par with JBL and Altec, then CV couldn't have screwed up any more than they did to yield the substandard sonics owners were/are subjected to..........
I can't sum it up any better than this:
Toasted Almond said:
This is truly a classic analogy that had me rolling with laughter that I haven't experienced in quite some time!! :yes:
Thanks for the good times! :thmbsp:
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