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Recording Vinly to blank CDs

bordeno

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Now that I'm getting back into vinyl, I need technical guidance from the group. Exactly HOW do you put vinyl tunes onto CDs? I don't have a CD recorder in my stereo (just a player) so I trust it needs to be done on the computer. I have a CD burner, works fine. I want to make some compilations that have music on them that I only have on vinyl.

Clue me in.......thanks in advance.
 
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First off you will need some form of pre-amplifier to feed yout TT into the PC so you can save the music as .wav files. I happen to have bought Cool Edit 2000 before Adobe bought them out and dropped the cheaper version. Then to get rid of clicks and pops I bought an add-on called Clickfix, great piece of software. To burn the CDs I use Nero - good software and darn nice folks to deal with. Just realize that it is a time consuming process because vinyl does not rip. Nearly forgot, my PC came with a DVD/CD reader and CD burner - I pulled the CD burner and replaced it with a DVD/CD burner.

Rob
 
If I'm understanding correctly, the signal has to be line level to the computer....will pre out or tape mon out from a preamp be good and if so, exactly how do you connect (what adapter do you need from RCA jacks) to the computer...where does it input to the computer etc....

Rick
 
Depending on how esoteric you want to get, it can mean buying up special hardware. I'm pretty simple-minded about such stuff, though, and no audiophool, either. As a minimum, you need a sound card with Line-In and a y-adaptor with RCA's from tape out to mini phone plug to the sound card's line in. I use a cheap-ass external Soundblaster and capture the music as wave files with the SB's software, then use my regular burning program to make cd's. No other processing, and the results sound fine to me. My burning program (Feurio) has a wave editor that can be used to chop out ticks and pops, if there are any that are THAT offensive. YMMV.
 
...as I'm doing this very very often, I feel like adding something: be careful with the quality of the A/D converter!

Although I use pro setups, software/hardware on a Mac, it really is important... Fair PCI sound-cards on a PC might probably be much cheaper but don't hesitate to take a model with a good D/A section. Recording at 48k and then down-scaling to the 44.1k of the CD always sounded better for me than straight rec at 44.1k but that might depend on the software used...

With a good source (TT/arm/cart), preamp and a good A/D, transfers like this will sound about......... 1,000,000 times better than the original pressed cd (if available)! It's well worth the effort and, indeed, it doesn't wear out :-)
The best of both worlds to me.
 
bordeno said:
If I'm understanding correctly, the signal has to be line level to the computer....will pre out or tape mon out from a preamp be good and if so, exactly how do you connect (what adapter do you need from RCA jacks) to the computer...where does it input to the computer etc....

Rick

Tape Mon. out will work fine. You can go to Rad. Shack, Target or others and buy a cable that is normal RCA on one end, stereo mini on the other end to plug into your line-in on the PC. Just make sure the mini plug is stereo.

I too use Nero, and find it easy to use.

JD
 
By your question I'm assuming you need a hardware and software recommendation. If you don't have a phono preamp, you'll have to buy one. The output of a 'table is not flat and must have a specific EQ applied.

Someone elsewhere mentioned the Griffin Powerwave. That would be an excellent choice as it combines preamp & amp functions in one unit. You can google for that unit, it typically costs about $100.

LPs will always sound somewhat mechanical (er, they are mechanical- that's how they work), but with a good digital rig you can get reasonable sound quality out of 'em. Don't expect miracles, but you should be able to get listenable sound despite the many shortcomings of records. There's some common software that can reduce the pops & surface noise a bit.

Nothing can really cure the stiff and robotic nature of LP sound, but good software can make a listenable copy of them. Nero 6 has tools to clean up the grossest flaws. You might want to check at a PC forum like After Dawn for specific info. There are guys there that know how to turn the sows ear into, if not a silk purse, at least something that approaches decent FM.
 
I like to use the phono pre out of in my case a MX110 tuner pre then IC it as tentoze posted to the computer. A good clean record that isn't scratched
makes a wonderful disk with no editing.

Click removers will cause you a loss of resolution which you may or may not hear same as mp3's do depending on your ears and system unless you edit them out click by click. Not worthwhile IMHO.

I hate Nero but free is free. ;)

Carl
 
since i dont want to move my TT whenever i want to transfer an LP to CD, i do it the lazy way: i fire up my replaytv box, set to one hour at slow speed, play side one into it, flip and clean the record, and play side 2. then i transfer the video from the replaytv box to the pc via the network, extract the audio tracks from the video, load into nero, split the tracks, discard the lead-in and lead-outs and flip/clean, and label and burn to cd. i dont do any post-processing, since i have the original on the hard drive and i can always do it later.

basically trade off moving the TT for some extra transfer and extraction time.

sm.
 
Try using the Microsoft Plus! Analog Recorder.

Just connect your stereo output to an input on your PC, or better yet, connect your PC as a tape device using the tape monitor of your stereo.

The following is from Microsoft Plus! Analog Recorder:

Plus! Analog Recorder
Using Plus! Analog Recorder, you can transfer music from your analog audio device, such as a record, cassette, eight-track, or reel-to-reel player, to your digital music library. Analog Recorder steps you through the process of converting your music to digital format and then copies the digital files to your computer.

You can transfer a section of music, such as part of a song from a cassette tape or all the songs on a vinyl record. Analog Recorder attempts to detect the individual tracks within the music and automatically splits the tracks for you. You can then play the tracks, name them, and add them to a playlist in Microsoft Windows Media Player. You also have the option to split, combine, or delete individual tracks and to add copy protection to the tracks to prevent them from being played on other computers.

Analog Recorder provides several mechanisms to help improve the quality of your music. It adjusts the recording level for you, which helps to prevent distortion and other effects that might degrade the sound quality. It provides special filters that reduce the popping and hissing sounds within your tracks. You can also choose the amount of audio compression you want to apply to the tracks, based on whether you prefer better music quality or smaller audio files.


I use it and it works very well.
 
I've got 30 feet between my preamp and computer and my question is would that hurt the frequency response? :scratch2:
 
is there a way

assuming one has a good cd burner, is there a way to burn directly to cd w/out passing thru computer... dumb question probably. but whats the shortest path possible to get one's vinyl to cd? lets assume cost is no object. another question, whats the best burner?
thanks
:scratch2:
 
rtaylor said:
I've got 30 feet between my preamp and computer and my question is would that hurt the frequency response? :scratch2:
You may just want to move it for sessions, you may find the distance is too great to start the record and the recording at the same time. I have used
a 14 ft. piece with no issues.

I do not know if the "home" recorders the are out there will do this, I could not do without the ability to track split where I wish and control the time, if any at all, that can be done on a computer. Just a thought...

Carl
 
I was never very happy with the results recording through the Soundblaster on the PC, it always sounded grainy. I know there are better sound cards out there but it's still a bit of a pain dealing with the software needed to do the job.

I have recently been using a Philips CD Recorder model CDR800 and the results are great, and it's nearly as easy as using a Cassette recorder. The resulting CD can be ripped and rearranged on the PC any way you like.

I've been running a cheap HitachiTurntable and a vintage Shure cartridge through a Dynaco Pat-4 Preamp and the CD sounds pretty much identical to the record to my ears. Better equipment would no doubt bring better results.
 
Eric H said:
I was never very happy with the results recording through the Soundblaster on the PC, it always sounded grainy. I know there are better sound cards out there but it's still a bit of a pain dealing with the software needed to do the job.
I had the same results from my Soundblaster live. I was never happy with the sound quality that I got when recording with it. Now I am using an ESI Juli@ sound card and I am happy. I also like that it has RCA jacks instead of using 1/8" miniplugs. I have heard that the latest soundblasters (Audigy2?) sound OK, but I don't have one so I cannot comment on them.
 
Some of the newer soundcards are much higher resolution. Up to and including 192kHz. Also, there are newer formats than MP3, such as MP4 and a couple of others which are reported to provide considerably higher resolution. You'll have to do some digging to get the thread, but was recently discussed fairly extensively here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FMtuners/ with specifics as to which cards and software are considered superior. Most of the posters had direct experience using these products.

Some higher end sound cards they have recommended are Echo and MAudio. Also, here are a couple of links to additional info.

http://www.tweakheadz.com/soundcards_for_the_home_studio.htm
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/
 
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