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Negotiableterms Pioneer SX-1980

EchoWars

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In this thread, I showed David's SX-1980 here for a full rebuild and recapping after I got the regulator redone and the big filter caps changed. Well, a few odds and ends that I've been waiting on showed up Friday, so I had to get busy and get it ready for reassembly by cleaning up and repainting the heatsinks. Yes, the heatsinks on the SX-1250, SX-1280, and the SX-1980 are painted. There might be a clear, thin anodized layer under the paint, but that black you see is not a black anodized coating...it's paint. So early Sat morning around 2AM I got the heatsinks covered with 3 or 4 coats or satin black paint, and although we generally celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve, after everyone took off I went to work to get them mounted (day off? surely you jest.)

The heatsinks were still tacky (black takes sooo damn long to dry), so I tossed 'em into an oven preheated to 200°F for an hour, and that too care of that. Baked-on baby! Got the transistors reinstalled on the heatsinks with new heatsink compound, driver boards mounted, and all reassembled. Powered up, set bias and offset, and then did my final cleaning on the front panel and the tuner face. With the new caps, pots, and tweaks, this will be THE SX-1980. Address him as Sir please. :cool:

One thing I do with the Pioneer's that have these long rows of toggle switches is to add little felt rectangles on the switches under the faceplate (like Pioneer did with many other earlier models). I don't know when Pioneer stopped doing this, but I think the SX-x50 series has them, and the SX-x3x (including the SX-1010) has them also. They are an excellent idea to help keep crud out of the switches. Many units that have been disassembled over the years have had these left off by careless techs, but I don't think this 1980 has ever been apart before, so I believe the SX-x80 series may be missing them.

Anyway, I still have yet to put this on the distortion analyser, or test for full output. The only other 1980 that spent any time here was Brad's (Dingusboy's) 1980, but I didn't have proper dummy loads back then. So...tonight I will be finding exactly what a SX-1980 can do. David may also have to wait a little longer even after it is done and reassembled, as I have an E-MU 0404 soundcard on the way, and some software that should expand my testing capabilities by several orders of magnitude, and I'd like to use see if I can't generate some interesting charts and graphs. God knows, there's enough money and effort put into this that it would be nice to show something for the effort. Hope that old K6-2+ 550MHz system can handle it... :D

And yeah, we've played this game before many times, but who'd like to guess what a 1980 can do fully cranked at 1KHz into an 8-ohm load? Since I haven't done it yet and don't know myself, I'll even throw in my own guess later this afternoon/early evening before I actually do it. I won't guess now...as it'll likely affect everybody else's guess.

...and I'll be back with a few pics later, but ya'all already know what a 1980 looks like.
 
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OK, I'm in too, but my guess would also put it at less wattage than my freshly "EchoWars" re-built SPEC 2 and go with 320WPC right before clipping.

The info on the SPEC 2 can be found in this thread: http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50369&page=1&highlight=SPEC

And the SPEC 2 clipped at 340WPC into 8 ohms!!

For the time being, it's just kind of nice having the most powerful "tested" Pioneer amp, receiver, etc., of its time!!! :smoke:


Retro


PS: Even if this 1980 clips at more than 340WPC into 8 ohms, I'll have to take it on into a 4 ohm load and that's where it will lose for sure. EW, you may have to buy some more dummy loads. :naughty:
 
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EchoWars said:
...although we generally celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve, after everyone took off I went to work to get them mounted (day off? surely you jest.)

...Address him as Sir please.

Day off? Silly idea. Take the WEEK off and play with your toys!

Just call me NT. You can adress the 1980 as Sir, if you insist... on talking to it. :D

My guess is 325w # 8 ohms. Based on nothing except that you've made the power supply more robust.
 
EchoWars said:
I don't know when Pioneer stopped doing this, but I think the SX-x50 series has them, and the SX-x3x (including the SX-1010) has them also. They are an excellent idea to help keep crud out of the switches. Many units that have been disassembled over the years have had these left off by careless techs, but I don't think this 1980 has ever been apart before, so I believe the SX-x80 series may be missing them.
I remember discussing this before, with some disagreements. The SX-1050 and SX-1250 and SX-850 units I have seen had the felt ONLY on the power switch, I know some people say that they were probably removed over the years and just not put back on, but I can't believe that different people working on different units all over the country would lose all of the felt, except for the power switch felt. That's just not possible. In addition, the factory service manuals for the SX-1050 and the SX-1250 only show the felt on the power switch. The service manual for the SX-1280 shows felt on all the flip switches. I guess it's possible that they changed things during the production run, but I have seen both newer and older models myself. Anyway, nice job EW, as usual..and a Merry Christmas to all...
 
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Felt

As I think about it I have seen them more often on 30 series Pioneers. I guess I have had the face off of over 200 Pioneer receivers, mostly 780s and 850s with a bunch of 1050s and a few 1250s. I think about 50% of all the Pioneer receivers had them.

I have opened 850s where I knew I was the first person to do so and I have seen it both ways, with and without. If I had known then I would have logged serial numbers just for this kind of trivia.

Matter of fact I don't remember very many that had just the power switch covered. . . I will say that I have opened receivers that I would have bet money that no one had touched, receivers that I bought from the original owner where the owner swore it had never been touched only to open it up and find where it had been into before.

I remember one SX-1010 that I would have bet my life on it yet it had been blown up twice and repaired each time using components that were non standard. Some of these guys clean up very nice. . . So nice that you cant tell sometimes even after you open it. . .
 
The 850 must have been made toward the end of the 50 series and start of the 80 series. The 850 has the 80 series antenna, and has the 80 series speaker jacks as well.
 
VintageNut said:
The 850 must have been made toward the end of the 50 series and start of the 80 series. The 850 has the 80 series antenna, and has the 80 series speaker jacks as well.

I know there was a much bigger demand for the 850 than the 880. I suppose they could have kept it in production longer. Except for the power meters on the 880 there is really no comparison. That one is easy to see where Pioneer started cutting costs.
 
I don't know why I didn't think about looking in the parts diagram, but indeed the 1980 at least does not have the felt anywhere. My manual for my SX-939 does show them, and even gives a part number. Still, dirt is a serious enemy, and the felt is a good thing at add to the units that don't have them.

OK...was a long day, and came home to a 'over-the-stove' microwave to install. Ick... That's done, and I proceeded to put the 1980 through its paces. I meant to post my own guess before I did the deed, but was so busy today I didn't have a chance. FWIW, my own guess was 308WPC. Anyway, here's the tally:

321WPC @ 0.5% THD+N

0.0085% THD+N @ 270WPC (1KHz)

That figure isn't weighted, and I didn't even cheat by feeding the signal straight to the amp...that signal is coming in through the Aux input. No ****!

(gyusher...FWIW, most of these Jap SS amps will hold distortion to below 0.1% easily...right up to clipping. So if you have 1% distortion, you are clipping. I call 0.5% the clipping point, but the difference between the power output at 0.5% THD and 1% THD is small...maybe 5 watts. The distortion curve is expotential in a big way once you hit 0.5%)

Once the sound card arrives I will be able to do IM measurements, and I 'think' I might have a way to generate THD vs Freq charts. Tres cool. :smoke:

Negotiableterms, this is a hellova piece of gear. I know you like your Mac's and all, but this Pioneer doesn't have to take a back seat to anything. ;)
 
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Echo , I am so Excited to hear all this. i cant wait for these holidays to be over. First of Jan. Expect a 63 pound package. cause the 1280 will be on the way for complete rebuild. :yes: I count the days. to be able to hear a EchoWars surpream sounding 1280..... :music:

Chris :thmbsp:
 
Send me an email so we can discuss this Chris. I want to make sure we are on the same page...
 
Wow!

That's amazing news, and attributable primarily to your work. :tresbon: Again, I can't thank you enough!



Almost as amazing is that in the second post on this thread, rstsgsas hit the number, dead-on.
 
Huh...he did, didn't he?

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Here's a cookie rstsgsas... :D
 
Yeah but...........

The SPEC 2 is still the top dog!!!
The SPEC 2 is still the top dog!!!
The SPEC 2 is still the top dog!!!
The SPEC 2 is still the top dog!!!

Nanner, nanner, nanner.... :tongue:

And hey, I was only 1 watt off on my guess..... :smoke:


David,
All kidding aside, enjoy the "Master's" work, I know I am.... :music:



Retro
 
Retro Stereo said:
Yeah but...........

The SPEC 2 is still the top dog!!!
The SPEC 2 is still the top dog!!!
The SPEC 2 is still the top dog!!!
The SPEC 2 is still the top dog!!!

Nanner, nanner, nanner.... :tongue:

And hey, I was only 1 watt off on my guess..... :smoke:


David,
All kidding aside, enjoy the "Master's" work, I know I am.... :music:



Retro


Reminds me of the saying that if you ain't the lead dog the view is always the same :smoke:

Lefty

SX-1980 sled driver
 
EW, I would be very interested in knowing how you like the SX-1980 compared to your beloved Kenwood 600 amp, not just power, but detail, soundstage, etc...
 
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