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Super Heresy - Where to Find Information

Quadaptor!

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The other day I put up a post in the Speaker forum asking for advice on selecting "new" speakers and was informed of the Super Heresy. The heart of my system consists of a Fisher 800B I've had for decades and recently had refurbished, and a pair of Heresies coupled to a stereo pair of SVS SB 1000 subs. My listening habits include classical and a lot of 1950s/60s era acoustic jazz. The Fisher will end up being an item in my will so it's going nowhere and, frankly, I'm not totally dissatisfied with the speaker combo I'm currently running. However, making improvements to the Heresies instead of replacing them with something else has piqued my interest. I have gone through the search function and found that information on Super Heresies being kind of spread out. Could anyone provide me with a link to a post or website that consolidates information and instructions on how to make the conversion into one place? The serial numbers of my speakers are 133X297 and 133X298 which, as I understand, identifies them as having been made in 1982. There were recently recapped with a kit from Crites Speakers. Many thanks in advance for your help!
 
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How does the conversion affect efficiency? I'm kind of happy running high efficiency speakers on what these days is considered a low powered tube amp, albeit I think 30-watts is just fine.
 
Could anyone provide me with a link to a post or website that consolidates information and instructions on how to make the conversion into one place?

Several have built them and there have been a few changes along the way. Dave Ault's tweeters are great and that is what makes it super. I like the woofers I have, but I wonder what I might have done differently if I were to start over, such as a different woofer.<link
 
I have a couple questions. The link to the SMAHL V2 tweeters on the "Super Heresy 2.0 recipe" instruction sheet is not working. Where can they be acquired? Also, the instruction sheet states that two mirrored ports could be used in both lower corners of the the back plate instead of a single port in one corner. The single port design uses a 4-in diameter by 4-inch deep port. Would the dual port design cut this dimension in half? That is, would you use two 2-in diameter by 2-in deep ports with one port installed in each corner? Thanks
 
How does the conversion affect efficiency? I'm kind of happy running high efficiency speakers on what these days is considered a low powered tube amp, albeit I think 30-watts is just fine.
Since I'm the Originator of the Super Heresy, I thought I should chime in.
The reason I did the Modification to Paul Klipsch's Original (Pre 1982) was to improve the marriage of the Midrange (PWK said that is where it's most important) to where it "hands off gently to the Horns."
I knew that using a high bl product (large magnet) woofer designed for Guitar Amplifiers, would do well in the Female Vocal range, "in concert" with the horns, by adding an extra 3 db of sensitivity, tipping the curve towards 700 Hz rather than 70 Hz.
I also knew that in a sealed box, I would be making the bass "thinner" that it already was with the K22 woofer, so I initially used a K42, which was, originally, an EVM 12 L from Electro-Voice (PWK got all his K77 tweeters from them originally also).
Electro Voice still makes the EVM 12 L but it's ridiculously expensive versus other options from Eminence and Celestion, who also make guitar speakers.
Knowing all this I knew I would have to port the box in the rear, since there was no room in the front, to try and get back, some of the bass I would lose. The wall/corner proximity and the room gain were definitely responsible for elevating the bass curve lower than the simulations.
Much to my surprise, not only did I get much greater midrange micro detail, I also got Incredible bass Down to 30 Hz!!! in my Indianapolis bedroom's main listening position, when I lived and worked in that city.
This further proved to me that the ROOM is the most important component for bass response below 200 Hz., and having a rear port allow for many more great options for bass loading vs. front porting which was not possible in my Walnut Heresy cabinets.
Eminence created an exact copy of the EVM-12L called the Delta Pro 12 A, which is was I had in my first build. If you find woofers with similar Thiele/Small Parameters, known as TSP (not the floor cleaner), you can use it if you find them cheaper. My version 2.0 uses a more expensive NeoDymium magnet which saves 10 lbs and provides more air in the box for a slightly lower and slightly more sensitive response, if your budget allows. Keep in mind that Heresy IV's from Klipsch cost north of $3,000 a pair new, and are somewhat compromised by using a 4 ohm woofer to get more bass (all my picks are 8 ohms) in a different way at a lower manufacturing cost (bean counters have higher priority than engineers). You can pretty much determine all that by just looking at the size of the magnet in the back of the driver, as a visual indicator.
 
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Thanks. It looks like I'll be following the instructions on the "Super Heresy 2.0 recipe" document when I go through with the conversion. Pardo me as I'm not the most well versed person in how all this works and I am assuming that the instructions are copacetic with your description.
 
I have compared K-42's (old, but look to be in very good condition. i.e. not beat on and/or driven to death with spongy spiders, etc) to the Celestion TF1225 extensively because I have/had both in Super Heresy's.

I have determined that the TF1225 wins out with a slight edge all around in sound and performance regardless of the inexpensive price of this woofer.

In addition, IMO, going to a Universal ALK type crossover helps bring out the best in the Super conversion.
 
I have compared K-42's (old, but look to be in very good condition. i.e. not beat on and/or driven to death with spongy spiders, etc) to the Celestion TF1225 extensively because I have/had both in Super Heresy's.

I have determined that the TF1225 wins out with a slight edge all around in sound and performance regardless of the inexpensive price of this woofer.

In addition, IMO, going to a Universal ALK type crossover helps bring out the best in the Super conversion.
Can you do some curves for us?
 
Since I'm the Originator of the Super Heresy, I thought I should chime in.
The reason I did the Modification to Paul Klipsch's Original (Pre 1982) was to improve the marriage of the Midrange (PWK said that is where it's most important) to where it "hands off gently to the Horns.
I knew that using a high bl product (large magnet) woofer designed for Guitar Amplifiers, would do well in the Female Vocal range, "in concert" with the horns, by adding an extra 3 db of sensitivity, tipping the curve towards 700 Hz rather than 70 Hz.
I also knew that in a sealed box, I would be making the bass "thinner" that it already was with the K22 woofer, so I initially used a K42, which was, originally, an EVM 12 L from Electro-Voice (PWK got all his K77 tweeters from them originally also).
Electro Voice still makes the EVM 12 L but it's ridiculously expensive versus other options from Eminence and Celestion, who also make guitar speakers.
Knowing all this I knew I would have to port the box in the rear, since there was no room in the front, to try and get back, some of the bass I would lose.
Much to my surprise, not only did I get much greater midrange micro detail, I also got Incredible bass Down to 30 Hz!!! in my Indianapolis bedroom's main listening position, when I lived and worked in that city.
This further proved to me that the ROOM is the most important component for bass response below 200 Hz., and having a rear port allow for many more great options for bass loading vs. front porting which was not possible in my Walnut Heresy cabinets.
Eminence created an exact copy of the EVM-12L called the Delta Pro 12 A, which is was I had in my first build. If you find woofers with similar Thiele/Small Parameters, known as TSP (not the floor cleaner), you can use it if you find them cheaper. My version 2.0 uses a more expensive NeoDymium magnet which saves 10 lbs and provides more air in the box for a slightly lower and slightly more sensitive response, if your budget allows. Keep in mind that Heresy IV's from Klipsch cost north of $3,000 a pair new, and are somewhat compromised by using a 4 ohm woofer to get more bass (all my picks are 8 ohms) in a different way at a lower manufacturing cost (bean counters have higher priority than engineers). You can pretty much determine all that by just looking at the size of the magnet in the back of the driver, as a visual indicator.
Interesting read. I often wondered what a Heresy would sound like if it was built like a smaller Cornwall - which may be what Klipsch
I have compared K-42's (old, but look to be in very good condition. i.e. not beat on and/or driven to death with spongy spiders, etc) to the Celestion TF1225 extensively because I have/had both in Super Heresy's.

I have determined that the TF1225 wins out with a slight edge all around in sound and performance regardless of the inexpensive price of this woofer.

In addition, IMO, going to a Universal ALK type crossover helps bring out the best in the Super conversion.
For those of us still low on the learning curve, what is the Universal ALK type crossover?
 
Can you do some curves for us?
I can but it won't be until the fall due to severe time constraints operating/running my business, which is not audio related.

The differences are subtle and I'm not sure a frequency response curve would illustrate anything significant.

To me, the midrange (with the TF1225) is vastly improved over the K-22. Compared to the K-42, the TF1225 has a very organic natural sound from the lowest octaves to the 700Hz crossover point. The bass is tight, the mid-bass is snappy and vibrant, the midrange is lush.

It's hard to describe, but I know a lot of people can relate to what I am describing.
 
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a tweener. 20x30 inches and maybe 12" deep, I forgot. The Heresy was designed as a mono center between 2 Klipschorns, originally (late 1950's). I) became half of all gross sales and saved the company. The Cornwall came later. All used the same drivers to increase the purchase volume (K55 & K77) and K33 for LaScala, Khorn, and Cornwall.
 
Interesting read. I often wondered what a Heresy would sound like if it was built like a smaller Cornwall - which may be what Klipsch

For those of us still low on the learning curve, what is the Universal ALK type crossover?
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This is the schematic for the ALK network that has been adapted for a super heresy by @THD+N
It is a little more involved than the type e network, but ime, worth the extra effort and added expense.
 
My interest in this came from putting up a post on DACs last week and getting frank responses that the Schiit Modi I have been using for the last coupe of years was not worth replacing and that my money would be better spent elsewhere such as with speakers. Now because I'm not swimming in capitol a suggestion I got on the subject of the Heresys really piqued my interest. I have been happy with my Heresys, but I also appreciate DIY projects; especially those that can be done one bit at a time. I am jazzed ad may start with the tweeters!

PS - I have another question. For some "gut reason" I like the idea of using two ports instead of one. The instructions recommend one 4-in dimeter by 4-in deep port per cabinet. Would the size be cut in half if using two instead of one port per cabinet? The closest port Parts Express has to this would be 1 5/8 -in diameter by 4 7/8-in deep. Thanks again.
 
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