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Back to the Future - Ohm F's refurbished

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My first real high end audio purchase was a pair of Ohm F loudspeakers in 1975. I first heard the F’s at a Tech Hi-Fi store in the Chicago driven by some big SAE amps. They sounded like nothing I’d ever heard before. I was smitten. I emptied my meager bank account and bought a pair. They became the centerpiece of my system for over 10 years.

Ohm F’s are Walsh drivers – single, full range omni-directional loudspeakers with no crossovers. The highly tapered cones act as transmission lines, the voice coil ‘plucks’ the cone, launching a wave down the cone where it is then radiated into space. Lincoln Walsh’s patent #3,424,873 explains the design in detail. The inverted cones are made of ultra-thin Titanium and Aluminum foils and a paper cone section that forms a transmission line driver. Internally, the Titanium section is treated with a clay-like damping material, and the Aluminum cone section is damped by open cell foam. The paper cone has four rows of long slits around its circumference at different heights. It is one of the most complex electro-mechanical systems I’ve seen. Today, German Physiks and MBL make similar designs

Ohm F’s proved to be hard to live with. As omni-directional radiators, they have to be positioned very carefully away from room boundaries to sound their best. They consume prodigious amounts of power, and were prone to failure. The old joke was it took 200 Watts to get them to sing, and 201 watts to blow them up! I blew mine up at least three times, maybe more. Big parties and Ohm F’s just don’t get along! I had some voice coil separations that were not abuse related. Finally, Ohm stopped supporting the rebuilds and provided an upgrade path to their newer model, the Walsh IV. Without another option, I switched to the Walsh IV. It had much better efficiency, but some of the Ohm F magic was gone for sure.

Fast forward 37 years. A little voice kept saying….wonder what it would be like to have F’s in the house again? So I started researching the options for refurbishing a pair, and found an active but small community of admirers that are keeping the design alive.

I found a one owner pair on CL, from a gentleman who was going into an assisted living facility and couldn’t bring them with. The cabinets were in great condition, but the drivers needed major refurbishment. I contacted Bill Legall from Millersound in Lansdale, PA, and arranged to have Bill rebuild the drivers. I flew from Minneapolis to Philly with the drivers to meet Bill and discuss refurbishment

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The spiders were sagging, the surrounds shot completely, and all the inner cone treatments failing. But the cones themselves were in good shape. So we agreed on a complete refurbishment, with new voice coils, spiders, surrounds, and inner cone treatments. Bill’s knowledge of Ohm F’s is very deep and I could tell he is an outstanding craftsman. You can learn more about him here:

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Bill explained to me that Ohm F’s were shipped broken from the factory. The petroleum binder in the Ferrofluid used in the motor assembly migrated out of the gap and attacked the adhesive that held the voicecoil to the cone. He demonstrated this on one of my drivers by simply pulling the voice coil away from the cone. There was no adhesive left! He also said the original spiders were too soft, causing the cones to sag almost immediately. This pulled the voice coils out of the gap, reducing efficiency dramatically. That’s why most people had trouble keeping them running. I left his shop confident that my speakers were in good hands.

While I was waiting for Bill to finish the drivers, I hand rubbed the cabinets with five coats of teak oil, cleaned the grills, and repainted the driver mounting boards. I also replaced the cheesy binding posts and re-wired the cabinets with Kimber 4TC.

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This is a picture of the reburbished driver. When the drivers arrived, I mounted them, re-assembled the cabinets and moved the F’s into position in my room. Bill made a lot of changes - adding dynamat extereme to the basket ribs and surfaces. He covered the spider with felt to prevent treble re-radiation onto the cone, and covered the motor assembly with felt to keep down reflections. These are now truly better than new!

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How do they sound? They sound just like I remembered them. They truly fill a room with music. They have deep and prodigious bass, clear and clean vocals. The treble is smooth, although not as extended as some more modern speakers I’ve owned. The overall tone is excellent – these are tone-meisters for sure. They sound beautiful.

After some experimentation, I’ve moved them out about 5 feet from the back wall, about 10 feet apart.

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Bill said it would take about 60 hours of break in for them to sound their best. I’m now at about 40 hours, and they are sounding great. They are starting to image more precisely. Will they replace the Sophia 2's? I don't kow. They are more of a contender than I expected them to be, for sure. This was a lot of fun, a little work, and I got to meet Bill and Loretta along the way - both great people dedicated to the enhancement and preservation of audio.

Tom
 
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Thanks Gary, Al;
This has been a fun project. Bill did all the heavy lifting.
Gary, we are almost neighbors! Are there any local get togethers?
Tom
 
I'm glad someone is keeping the old Fs alive. Excellent looking room and layout. The presentation must be quite different from the Wilsons?
 
bhunter,
The presentation is dramatically different from the Wilsons. So far, the F's throw a very different soundstage, less mini-monitor like pinpoint imaging, but at the same time much more enveloping and involving. I don't think they are as accurate as the Wilson's, but they may be more fun! The bass on the F's is definitely more prominent, the treble more laid back.
Tom
 
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Outstanding restoration, system and listening room! It's great reading about people dedicated to specific brand preservation. Priceless wealth of information.

Congrats!
 
This was the speaker that got me into audio in 1978. It was mesmerizing to see the cone in action, and the sound wasn't bad either.
 
I read about those, but never heard them. Thank you for spending the effort to preserve a work of audio art.
 
Great story! Thanks for sharing! I'd love to hear them and in fact, I've never had a proper demo of a Walsh driver system. I did hear a pair of F's briefly years ago in a store in Springfield, MO. They looked great and seemed to function OK. I could have had them for $400! I've often regretted not buying them, but I'm pretty sure they would not have held up too well for me either in those days.

BTW, I love your room and set-up!
 
Great story! Thanks for sharing! I'd love to hear them and in fact, I've never had a proper demo of a Walsh driver system. I did hear a pair of F's briefly years ago in a store in Springfield, MO. They looked great and seemed to function OK. I could have had them for $400! I've often regretted not buying them, but I'm pretty sure they would not have held up too well for me either in those days.

BTW, I love your room and set-up!

after owning bills upgraded drivers,i would have to say you have not heard the final version of the ohm F until they have been Legall(ized) :music:
 
vintagefan12,
Thanks for revving this thread. I'm glad you are enjoying your refurbished Ohm F's.

Thanks to everyone for your great comments!
You are iwelcome to come take a listen.

It's hard to believe it has been almost three years since I started the restoration with Bill. I'm glad he's still working his magic. Mine are sounding great, I enjoy them very much.

Tom
 
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My understanding is that the original Ohm F units released to the retail market had a design issue that cause the voice coil to rub against something when the speakers were cranked up. Lot so of them blew up / fried out. This prompted a design change by Ohm, after which the problem was very rare. I suspect it was also the source for the adage "it takes 300 watts to drive them properly and 301 watts to blow them up."

My Ohm F's were also rebuilt by Bill Legall at Millersound, for the owner prior to my buying them back in 2012. I think he did a fantastic job, and they sound great. I started out with a 125 wpc Adcom amp, moved to a 200 wpc vintage HK Citation 22, then to a Yamaha M-85 that is stated to produce 330 wpc at 4 Ohms. Bass got tighter with every upgrade, but I felt like something wasn't quite there. I snagged a deal on a McIntosh MC2205 to replace the Yamaha M-85. It is rated at 200 wpc across, 2,4, or 8 Ohms, but bench tested at 235 wpc. The difference between it and the M-85 was very noticeable. It played about as loud, but was more detailed, and the bass was finally good and tight. My go-to torture test has always been the super low bass notes generated by the VCS3 synthesizer on Pink Floyd's DSOTM. With the first two amps the driver was travelling so far up and down when playing those notes that I became very concerned. With the M-85 and the MC2205, it kept getting more controlled - until I could play those passages at reasonable volume. fast forward to late 2018. We moved into a new house , with a living/listening room that is 20x20 - nearly twice the size of our old house. The MC2205 was running out of steam regularly - it lacked the headroom that I had with it before. Our listening position is much further from the speakers, the speakers are now a full 4 feet from the side and rear walls (as they should be. So - none of this comes as a surprise. Having thought that I would never again upgrade my system (I'm not an obsessive gear head or tweaker - once it sounds the way I like - I leave the system along for years on end.) People who have used modern amps with good damping factor and properly restored Ohm F speakers told me that I should not be afraid of throwing more power at them. I now have a McIntosh MC452 - 450 wpc but it pushes out over 500 wpc. The PowerGuard and SutoFormer features have me unconcerned about damaging the speakers, and I still don't push them too far, but there has been a HUGE change in the sound. It's more forward, more open, more detailed, and the bass is the tightest I have ever gotten from these speakers. It doesn't play a lot louder, and that was not my intention but oh man... does it sound BETTER. Note: the MC452, like the MC462 and MC601 monoblocks, is a new design approach form the McIntosh engineers. These amps are voiced differently than all of those which preceded them. For lack of a better term, I will say the this is the new "McIntosh house sound" - which is much different than the old "house sound."

By the way - does anyone here have an alternate source for the BUSSMANN FUSE Fast Ceramic FUSE GBB 4A 250V 1/4 x 1-1/4" ? The eBay vendor who carried them now shows "out of stock" but has every other amperage still available.
 
I’m pretty sure Digi-Key carries GBB-4 fuses. Eaton bought Bussman so they are listed as the mfg.

Glad to see the 452 is working out for you. It’s a fine amplifier.
 
I thought I’d resurrect this thread as I now have my 2nd pair of ‘Millerized’ Ohm F’s in the house and I think these are even better than the first!

My son is interested in a pair and Bill Legall isn’t restoring very many of these drivers anymore due to the amount of time and painstaking care it takes to restore them. I found a nice unmolested pair needing refurbishment so I called Bill and he agreed to take on the project.

I’ve had these in house for about 20 hours now and they are sounding spectacular. They are pretty efficient. 1 watt gets me 80 dB at my listening chair in a moderate sized room. These will loaf along at the levels I normally listen. The MC 2301 power amps are a wonderful match for these speakers.

The internal cone treatment are the same as my last pair and Bill is now adding dynamat to the magnet assemblies.

These bases had cross braces and densely packed batts of acoustic stuffing above the cross braces in the top 3/5th of the cabinet. We think Ohm did this to limit LF cone excursion. This is unnecessary with a Millersound restored driver. I removed the stuffing and refilled the entire enclosure with the expanded material.IMG_3435.jpegIMG_3433.jpeg

The bases were deeply cleaned and re-oiled with 4 coats of teak oil. I used 0000 brass wool between coats. I repainted the driver mounting boards and re-oriented the drivers so there is a large ‘window’ at the listening position without a supports in the way. Why Ohm didn’t do this to begin with is a mystery.

Fine detail and articulation are fantastic. The deep, tuneful bass is spectacular. I have them
positioned for best stereo imaging - no hole in the middle and excellent soundstage width for orchestral music.

Another set of keepers for sure.
 
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