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IMF TLS-50II - a couple weeks later.

M Jarve

Audio Geek and NGE Freak
Well now. I've had a couple weeks to enjoy my newest set of speakers, and have grown to appreciate their qualities and nuances, as well as to learn some of their quirks. I'll let the low points out of the way first, as they are somewhat trivial and not deserving of the place of honor at the end.

One of the first observations I made, after my fever delirium was done, was that despite their low efficiency, I don't think these speakers are solid-state friendly. Let me explain. I initially hooked them up to my Yaqin, which outputs an honest 40 watts per channel, which is apparently the minimum recommended for these speakers. I decided to connect up the only other amp I currently own, a Kenwood KA-7100, to see what 60WPC could do. Quite a difference, and not necessarily for the better. They suddenly sounded a little thin and empty, much like when speakers are far too small for the room they're in, but it was subtle enough that I dismissed it as just my mind playing tricks on me. The big surprise was later that day- I took the set over to Boy Wonder's and connected them to his Adcom GFA-6000 (100-watts x2), which in turn was fed by an SAE mk IB. With the same program material I played at home through both the Yaqin and Kenwood, the speakers were bordering hard and thin. Bob asked if there was some weird peak at 1500Hz or something, and we both agreed that they just did not sound right. I brought them back home and reconnected the Yaqin and they sounded infinitely better. Last weekend, Bob made it over to listen to them with my Yaqin and he agreed that they were entirely different. Perhaps I'm missing something here, but it was the biggest difference I had ever heard when it came to amps. When I get a chance, I think I'm going to do some amp rolling with some of Bob's gear, if he'll let me. I definitely want to try them with the Kenwood L-07M.

Anyways, the important thing is that they perform rather brilliantly with the equipment I actually use.

The other issue is that because of their low efficiency and somewhat small window for power, they do not possess the sort of dynamic range that I am used to. Although uncommon for me, I do occasionally like to get wild with something like the 1812 Overture, and the TLS-50II falls short of the mark. That said, they do have excellent dynamics within their range and have a quality that allows me to resist the urge to turn it up just to bring out more detail.

With that out of the way...

Something interesting I noticed almost immediately is that it almost feels as though there is a change in pressure in the room when playing bass-drum or double bass through these. It is something felt almost more than heard. Same for the pedal notes on an organ. Its actually one of the most realistic reproductions of bass I have ever experienced. I think they do edge out the zero9's in this area at my usual listening levels. Again, the energy and detail of the bass response draw comparisons with the Magneplanars I have heard, but with the added benefit of truly deep extension.

I've also gotten to know the midrange more intimately, playing some choral music as well as Norah Jones. Compared to the other ranges this speaker can produce, the mids can be a little underwhelming. Not bad by any stretch, just not stellar. Slightly recessed, but very smooth. Maybe a little dark. Actually, now that I think about it, it sounds more like a proper British speaker- more like the Diamond 7.2. Perhaps I've become so accustomed to the midrange capability of the zero9 that I will have to readjust to a speaker with a dryer character. One thing I can really appreciate from the midrange is how it tames the rather rustic recording quality of one CD I own. It's a Norah Jones disc, and apparently they went for more of a demo-cut quality, and indeed, her voice at times becomes a little grating as it clearly peaked the mixer. There is not a loss of detail, however, which is much appreciated.

I can also reconfirm their excellent imaging and positioning capability. They project an almost holographic sound field. You can nearly wander through the band, choir, or hall. the only thing that breaks the illusion is the tendency for the speakers (or amp) to compress during exceptionally dynamic passages. This is, of course, approaching obscene levels, but I am finding that listening to certain pieces (Beethoven's 9th, for instance) the hall shrinks during the crescendo.

The 50's are, of course, the little guys of the bunch, and I'm really wanting to track down a set of the 80's or one of the Professional Monitors to get into the big leagues. But for now, the 50's are making music, which is making me smile. And the zero9's are sitting in the corner for now, if that's any indication.
 
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nice story Mjarve!

I never shoulda sold my TLS50(non mkII). And, I did own Pro MkIII's and thought the 50's sounded better at low volume, but the MkIII's would near pin you to the back of the couch if you put the power to them! I truly wish I could've listened to those beasts in a much larger room!
 
As always a good read via Mike.

How about a picture. I never really did get to see these when they were up for sale.
 
Well, Gary, as you can see, they really could use some of your special magic worked on them... Functionally sound as a Pound, but with a face only a mother could love. Fortunately I'm a loving mother, so.

In any event, I wish I had thought about pictures earlier. I had the front baffle removed (along with all the drivers, of course), and you could actually see most of the TL, as well as the rather unique series crossovers.
 

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Always a delight to read your writings, Mike.

Could you give us a run down on the driver compliment? bass driver looks like a KEF B200.
 
The bass driver is a modified B200, from what I can tell. It has an inspection sticker from KEF, but it is not labeled as a B200, but rather SP1014.

The mid is from a company called Elac, which I have never heard of before. It has a rather interesting green crackle-paint finish on the basket and magnet.

The tweeter appears, at first glance, to be Peerless (very similar to those used in early Polk speakers), but it is made by Audax. I could find no model or part number on either units I have when I had them apart earlier today. Just says near one of the terminals "Audax 8Ω +".

The super tweeter has no markings at all, and is extremely fragile- the leads are only thin bits of copper foil that I think may actually be part of the voice coil!
 
Elac is ( was ) a German brand going back to the 60´s. My friend still has one of their TT´s from that era.

I believe most of their stuff is now manufactured in China.
 
Elac is ( was ) a German brand going back to the 60´s. My friend still has one of their TT´s from that era.

I believe most of their stuff is now manufactured in China.

You know, now that you mention it, I think I had an Elac turntable myself at one time. If I remember correctly, it was in the free pile at a garage sale I stopped at the day Gary, Ron, Doug, and I took the Magnepan tour. Also took home a set of DLK speaker stands and the Sony SS-TL4. That was a great day!
 
The bass driver is a modified B200, from what I can tell. It has an inspection sticker from KEF, but it is not labeled as a B200, but rather SP1014.

The mid is from a company called Elac, which I have never heard of before. It has a rather interesting green crackle-paint finish on the basket and magnet.

The tweeter appears, at first glance, to be Peerless (very similar to those used in early Polk speakers), but it is made by Audax. I could find no model or part number on either units I have when I had them apart earlier today. Just says near one of the terminals "Audax 8Ω +".

The super tweeter has no markings at all, and is extremely fragile- the leads are only thin bits of copper foil that I think may actually be part of the voice coil!
I had a pair of Elacs. Trust me, they made and still make, top notch stuff.
 
Back to your original post, MJarve.....If I read it correctly, you didn't like the sound you were getting at the outset of their in-service time. Then, as you and Boy Wonder put them through their paces, they began to chance the sound. Next, you ran them for a while longer and the sound continued to change. Is this right?

If so, then I'd suspect the crossovers need some attention. How old are these speakers? If they're approaching 20 years of age, then this could be part of what you're hearing - the crossover caps reforming.

Just a theory, here, but I've had similar symptoms with the 20+ UREI and KLH speakers I have.

Cheers,

David
 
Agreed. Another great read from M Jarve. You really do have a knack of conveying a listening experience - much appreciated. I loved reading your initial write-up on these speakers as well (even though you were under the weather). Thanks.

As a new owner of IMF speakers, I am still in the honeymoon period where they can do no wrong. Details and imaging from music that I thought I knew really well leave my jaw dropping. And that ability to deliver such musical bass so effortlessly. And no listener fatigue. Amazing.
 
The bass driver is a modified B200, from what I can tell. It has an inspection sticker from KEF, but it is not labeled as a B200, but rather SP1014.

The mid is from a company called Elac, which I have never heard of before. It has a rather interesting green crackle-paint finish on the basket and magnet.

The tweeter appears, at first glance, to be Peerless (very similar to those used in early Polk speakers), but it is made by Audax. I could find no model or part number on either units I have when I had them apart earlier today. Just says near one of the terminals "Audax 8Ω +".

The super tweeter has no markings at all, and is extremely fragile- the leads are only thin bits of copper foil that I think may actually be part of the voice coil!
 
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