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Two new turntables today; dunno what I'm doing

tensleep

tensleep

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Whilst out hunting and gathering today, I collected the following:banana::yippy::thmbsp::

Denon DP-45F
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http://www.micksmothers.net/gallery2/v/Billy/Stereo+Gear/Denon+DP-45F/

Kenwood KD-5066
Kenwood+KD-5066+Turntable+_5_.jpg

http://www.micksmothers.net/gallery2/v/Billy/Stereo+Gear/Kenwood+KD-5066+Turntable/

I have powered up the turntables to check their functions and they both work fine. I have not listened to the turntables; I don't remember enough about turntables to know what kind of cartridges I have (magnetic, etc.).

I gave $100 for these, along with a Marantz PM700 DC Amplifier, so we'll see....:scratch2:

I will be playing them through a Yamaha CR-1020 into a pair of Bozak 309a speakers. I really don't know anything about cartridges, headshells, etc.
If anyone has experience with these units, I'm all ears. I will probably search the turntable and Marantz forums tonight to educate myself.

PS There are links posted beneath the pictures for more pictures. These units look much better than the pictures.
 
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You did very well. Together (without the amp) they could easily bring 2 to 3 times that on ebay. Soundwise I think you will find that the Kenwood will be the better of the two, but the Denon is very slick and the full auto sensing is nice.

The cartridges are decent and usable if the needles are in good shape. Have you asked the seller about the number of hours on either? On the Denon is a Denon DL-60, the original cartridge sold with the table and a nice match for the arm. The Kenwood has an Audio Technica AT-12XE. Replacement styli (needles) are available for either or if you end up deciding you want new cartridges, you can do a search here for threads discussing choosing new ones.
 
The person that I purchased these from is in the electronic recycling business - primarily computer gear and scraping out the other parts. She did not have any historical information whatsoever.

So on the Yamaha CR-1020, I have two phono inputs. I guess I'll hook 'em up and compare! Of course, I will inspect the needles first. Is a visual inspection with good light and a magnifying glass sufficient, or are there other steps that should be taken? I also have a very good disc cleaner and zerostat gun packed away; I'll dig them out and use them.
 
Very nice. Tons o' fun ahead. You need a selector switch & run them side by side.
 
The Kenwood sounds great! The Denon does not have a needle (stylus?) in the cartridge. I will probably opt for the original stylus as a baseline for future comparison.

Once I get the stylus, my Yamaha CR-1020 has two phono inputs for the side by side:boink:!!!
 
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tensleep said:
The Kenwood sounds great! The Denon does not have a needle (stylus?) in the cartridge. I will probably opt for the original stylus as a baseline for future comparison.

Once I get the stylus, my Yamaha CR-1020 has two phono inputs for the side by side:boink:!!!
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Looks like we've got another 'vinyl junkie' on board! :music:

Very nice finds. :banana:
 
Doesn't the Yamie have two inputs for either moving magnet (MM) or moving coil (MC)? I don't recall, but I don't think it will take two TTs with the same cartridge format?

In any case you dun real goo grasshopper :) Either would the make the basis of fine general purpose vinyl system. either are capable of supporting quite up-scale cartridges. Keep us posted on how it's proceeding and welcome to the dark side :)
 
BrocLuno said:
Doesn't the Yamie have two inputs for either moving magnet (MM) or moving coil (MC)? I don't recall, but I don't think it will take two TTs with the same cartridge format?
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I looked at the back of the receiver, in the manual and on the front input switch to determine if the inputs were designated MM or MC and can't find any information indicating a difference with the inputs. On the schematic, the inputs also look symetrical. Is there such a thing as inputs that can "detect" or sense/compensate for what type of cartridge is employed?

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BrocLuno said:
Doesn't the Yamie have two inputs for either moving magnet (MM) or moving coil (MC)? I don't recall, but I don't think it will take two TTs with the same cartridge format?
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I looked at the back of the receiver, in the manual and on the front input switch to determine if the inputs were designated MM or MC and can't find any information indicating a difference with the inputs. On the schematic, the inputs also look symetrical. Is there such a thing as inputs that can "detect" or sense/compensate for what type of cartridge is employed?

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CR1020-03E.jpg
 
I really dig the Kenwood's looks and I have a friend with that Denon. He loves it and sees no reason to buy anything else. Nice haul.
 
either phono input should work the same

Hi tensleep. Here's my guess. Both phono inputs (1 and 2) can take the same kind of cartridge. Not understanding your manual completely, I think that your receiver will only take MM cartridges (and not MC).

I don't belive that one phono input is for one type of cartridge and the other for another (they'd be marked as such if so IMO).

I have a Sansui C-2101 preamp that happens to have two phono inputs. On the front panel is a switch that selects MC or High MC or MM. In other words, the switch controls the electronic path that will amplify your signal coming into either input. The inputs on my preamp are not dedicated.

Happy listening :music:,
samosui
 
hakaplan said:
You did very well. Together (without the amp) they could easily bring 2 to 3 times that on ebay. Soundwise I think you will find that the Kenwood will be the better of the two, but the Denon is very slick and the full auto sensing is nice.

The cartridges are decent and usable if the needles are in good shape. Have you asked the seller about the number of hours on either? On the Denon is a Denon DL-60, the original cartridge sold with the table and a nice match for the arm. The Kenwood has an Audio Technica AT-12XE. Replacement styli (needles) are available for either or if you end up deciding you want new cartridges, you can do a search here for threads discussing choosing new ones.
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Impressive eye!
 
The TTs look sleek. The Kenwood is dirty as hell, but the kind of dirt and dust that go away with some care.

If you clean them and polish the dust covers you will be amazed by the looks. They probably have the potential to get back to mint status.
 
I own a Yamaha CR-1020. MM carts only. It's fine--you have plenty of nice choices and can use high output MC carts, also.
 
hakaplan said:
I own a Yamaha CR-1020. MM carts only. It's fine--you have plenty of nice choices and can use high output MC carts, also.
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Thanks for the response, hakaplan! Can you point me to a thread or website that breaks down the pros and cons of the different cart technologies? I'm doing a search right now, but I keep getting sidetracked with all of the great related topics:zoom:.
 
tensleep said:
Thanks for the response, hakaplan! Can you point me to a thread or website that breaks down the pros and cons of the different cart technologies? I'm doing a search right now, but I keep getting sidetracked with all of the great related topics:zoom:.
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This is a nice, concise explanation of the difference between Moving Magnet and Moving Coil cartridges. Unfortunately the photos have been removed. You may also see Moving Iron mentioned occasionally in discussions. For practical purposes it is treated like Moving Magnet.

http://www.needledoctor.com/core/me...c=ACCT106601&h=192e59a68f2e49fdd1f8&_xt=.html
 
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