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Realistic NOVA-6 Thrift Store Find

uxwbill

Lurking in the Shadows
So I was out and about today, idly cruising around and checking a few of the local "thrift" and bric-a-brac stores. Most of the time, these places don't have anything too interesting...the thrift stores almost never have stereo equipment (not even "BPC" stuff) and the bric-a-brac stores have a lot of forgettable things like 3 watt "full range" single driver department store stereo speakers or incomplete HTIB speaker sets.

Buried in the back of this one bric-a-brac store, in amongst busted up guitar amplifiers, little practice amps, forgotten/mistreated records, crap and a school style record player are these just-visible lattice grilles...could they be "real" speakers?

A closer look revealed a set of Realistic NOVA-6 speakers in pretty good shape. Dusty and forgotten, but intact. I couldn't get the grilles off to inspect the drivers, so I asked the price. $10? Might be worth the risk...the owner said he'd played a 200 watt amplifier into them and it got so loud he couldn't stand it. That's not an encouraging thing to hear when the speakers say "40 watts maximum". :yikes:

I checked here very quickly and found this thread.

As the place was pretty crowded, I hurried back with $10 and the hope that they'd still be there. Got 'em home, cleaned them up a bit and unscrewed the grille covers. For the most part, it was good news all around. The surrounds on both drivers appear to be as good as new. It doesn't seem like the substance used is the typical subject-to-rotting foam.

A listening test in the garage with a Technics SA-120 seemed to indicate that the drivers weren't blown, but there was a definite phasing problem with the right speaker...just like the ones mentioned in the other thread. I swapped the wires on the back of that speaker and things were much better. I wonder if this was the result of a mistake at the speaker factory?

I'd say they're pretty decent. The treble is weak even though both tweeters appear to work. I haven't serviced the crossover or even inspected it yet. It may help to do that.

Determining the phasing for the woofer and correcting it should be easy enough. How can it be done for a tweeter?
 
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Congrats on the score! I love my Nova 10's. I am not familiar with the 6's but I am sure a few who are will give ya some info. On my 10's the polarity is reversed on the tweeter for the 2nd order crossover. After replacing the caps and giving them about 50 hours or so the sound really improved. Good luck with yours! I like the Nova series.
 
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I found a pair of thrift Nova 6s that had languished for a week unsold so I picked them up for $7 half price.Not a bad little speaker.I gave them with a receiver to someone but wouldn't have minded keeping them.
 
After a little diddling around, I'm baaaack...

I figured out why the high end response from these speakers is so weak--there isn't any! I went inside one of them to fix the phasing problem. All of the wiring in that one checked out, so I made the assumption it was correct and moved on. The second speaker was the culprit. For whatever reason, someone had bypassed the crossover in that one and when they put things back together, the wiring for the woofer and tweeter was backwards. I put the crossover back in circuit and corrected the wiring.

I could find no reason for this. Every part of the crossover assembly checked out. Even so, I installed new Nichicon capacitors (4.7uF, 50V if anyone's asking) to replace the old Elna units I found in there. I'm not sure that there was anything wrong with the old ones (they tested right on per my multimeter) but it's one less thing to worry about. After putting things back together, I was surprised to find no improvement in the sound.

Now for the bad news. Someone smoked both tweeters. They're completely open circuit. I'm not sure when it happened, but it doesn't matter.

Using a borrowed tweeter reveals that the crossovers work fine. Now I'm just looking for a replacement tweeter. I have not measured the old ones yet.

Has anyone had to deal with blown tweeters in Realistic NOVA-6 speakers? What replacement did you use?
 
nova 6 aint bad at all. i had 4 of them, they worked really good in quad setups, ive found that old sansui stuff really eats them up! good luck with them!
 
I replace the RS cone tweeters on my old NOVA 6's.
I found some 2 1/4" Peerless cone alnico tweeters on flea-bay, for under $10/pair, they were drop-in replacement too.
IMO, they were MUCH smoother, than the original cone tweeters.
Some people consider those old Peerless cone tweeters, as some of the best cone tweeters ever made?

Steve
 
Here is a possible solution:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=270-018

I have forgotten the size of the cut out hole.
Thank you for the suggestions. I will measure the cut out hole to see what I can do. The Parts Express option looks both of promising and cheap. There's also a plastic cup into which the tweeter unit fits and it's pretty tight, so I have to consider that as well.

Gosh, maybe I should get some pics up here. Might help anyone faced with going down this road later?

The only thing I'm really unsure about is how Parts Express measures their speaker. They give "A, B, C, D" measurements and so on, but I didn't see an explanation of what measurement goes where. Of course, some of that can be inferred from the picture...
 
The only thing I'm really unsure about is how Parts Express measures their speaker. They give "A, B, C, D" measurements and so on, but I didn't see an explanation of what measurement goes where. Of course, some of that can be inferred from the picture...

A=Overall diameter
B=Cutout hole diameter
C=Mounting depth
D=Magnet diameter
E=Magnet height

A,B and C should be all you need to worry about if you have cups that they fit into unless they are tapered.
 
A=Overall diameter
B=Cutout hole diameter
C=Mounting depth
D=Magnet diameter
E=Magnet height
Thanks for the information. I took a closer look at the tweeters I have and did some other research. It seems that the NOVA-6 was a pretty long lived speaker in the RadioShack lineup and that different versions exist.

I don't think Parts Express has anything that's a true-drop in replacement. I spent a moderate amount of time looking (and will contact their customer service department to be sure) only to come up empty handed.

The actual measurements from the tweeters I have are as follows:
Edge-to-edge: 4 1/4 inches
Actual driver: almost 2 and 3/4 inches
Mounting holes: 2 and 3/4 inches (left to right)
Depth: a little over 1 and 1/4 inches
Magnet: 1 and 3/4 inches across
Driver basket (wider than the magnet): 2 and 1/4 inches

I dismantled the cone+coil assembly in one of the tweeters to see if I could determine why it failed. I really expected to see a burn mark or other sign of distress. A winding appeared to have broken loose from the coil and it broke free at one end. That would be enough to do it. :worried:
 
Thanks for the information. I took a closer look at the tweeters I have and did some other research. It seems that the NOVA-6 was a pretty long lived speaker in the RadioShack lineup and that different versions exist.

I don't think Parts Express has anything that's a true-drop in replacement. I spent a moderate amount of time looking (and will contact their customer service department to be sure) only to come up empty handed.

The actual measurements from the tweeters I have are as follows:
Edge-to-edge: 4 1/4 inches
Actual driver: almost 2 and 3/4 inches
Mounting holes: 2 and 3/4 inches (left to right)
Depth: a little over 1 and 1/4 inches
Magnet: 1 and 3/4 inches across
Driver basket (wider than the magnet): 2 and 1/4 inches

I dismantled the cone+coil assembly in one of the tweeters to see if I could determine why it failed. I really expected to see a burn mark or other sign of distress. A winding appeared to have broken loose from the coil and it broke free at one end. That would be enough to do it. :worried:

It may not be a big problem. If you have a router, you might be able to rout a recessed area around the existing hole for the driver to drop in. I would call Parts Express for the actual magnet size to see if it fits in the basket. If all else fails, cut a larger hole and fabricate a basket out of Tupperware or PVC pipe and a cap.
 
Hey there uxwbill! I am in illinois too. Can't be that far- and I have a pair of nova 6 speakers with a blown woofer in one. Imay be able to help you out if you are close. PM me and we can talk about it. Cheers.
 
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