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Promised review of 4 dacs

burmashave

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This is a review from a common man who loves music. Two days ago, I couldn't even spell audiophile, now I are one,

I don't claim any special ability to define anything authoratively. These are just my impressions as a music lover. I will say that I have a modest system, and most people will tell you I have a good ear, with a preference for clarity and detail.

Having said that, lets get on with it. These impressions were made while listening to vinyl rips at 96/24. Equipment used was a Sony, STR V5, a stock CA 640P, a VPI Scout with a Denon DL103R, Mogami Neglex ic's.

The four dacs being discussed are a Maverick D1, an HRT Streamer II+, a Peachtree Dacit and finally, an Emotiva XDA-1. The rips were made on the mentioned equipment, using a Macbook and Audacity software. The playback was listened to using a Sony STR 6055 and Epicure 20+ speakers. The source of the files is a 2008 MacBook duo core with 4 gig of ram, using the digital optical out, except in the case of the HRT, which of course was USB. I'll review the dacs in the order I had a chance to try them.

First up is the HRT Streamer II+. $349 online. This is a USB only DAC. It is powered by the USB port from the computer. It is asynchronous USB capable, which recllocks the data stream without computer noise or jitter. From that standpoint, I think it worked very well. First impression of the sound was I found it bright, and brittle. I think it also exaggerated the bottom end. I know this is not the general consensus of the aggregate reviews on this piece, but this is how it sounded in my system. On the second day of use, the right channel started cutting out intermittently. It turned out that one of the RCA output connectors was wiggling and going open. This unit was returned, and exchanged for the Peachtree Dacit.

While waiting for the Dacit, I had a chance to review the Maverick D1, courtesy of a good friend and neighbor.

Second up is the Maverick D1. Free to demo.
This is a smaller unit with a volume dial on the front, as well as a source selector dial. It also has a mini jack line input for an mp3 device input, as well as a headphone jack. In the back, it has an RCA analog input, a USB, coax and optical inputs. It has RCA analog outputs with a tube buffered set of outs, or ss outs, your choice. These features allow this DAC to be used as a stand alone pre amp, if desired. It has a button on the front which allows you to choose pre amp or pure DAC mode. A far as headphones go, it is suggested that a set of cans can be connected directly to the tube outs with good results. I didn't try this. First thing I immediately noticed was how much more pleasing to my ear, and musical the D1 was compared to the HRT. It really wasn't close. I have to say that as much as i tried, i couldnt discern much difference in sound between the tube and the ss outputs. Also, i found the sound more pleasing in the pure dac mode. If the pure question would be, which of the two could you enjoy for long period of listening, hands down the answer was the D1. Then throw in it's versatility, then factor in its low price, $150 less than the Streamer II+, then add that there is the opportunity for rolling tubes as well as op amps, its a very good choice.

Third up is the Dacit. $449 online. Out of the box, it's an all square piece with 4 buttons on the front. On/off, USB, coax and optical selector buttons which glow blue when the unit is on. In back, there are inputs for coax, USB and optical. One set of RCA outs complete the package. There is a little remote included. The Dacit is a clear winner in sound. It isn't too bright, it isn't too warm, it's just right. Seriously, I don't know how else to put it. It isn't spectacular in any particular aspect, but I could sit and listen to it forever, and be pleased and satisfied. It delivers everything I'm looking for in sound reproduction, keeping in mind that my main love and obsession is vinyl playback, but for a digital system, this works for me big time.

Now the Emotiva XDA-1. $199 online as a closeout. Originally $349. This is by far the most versatile DAC of the bunch, also the largest. This has six inputs. Two optical, two coax, one USB and one that looks like a balanced female. Sorry, not sure what it is, but I won't be using it anyway lol. It has a volume control, and comes with a metal remote that weighs a pound or so. Typical of Emotiva. The input choices, mute, volume up an down and standby are all available button choices on the front. The rear has the corresponding input connections and RCA outs. My listening impression of this DAC is that it's a little on the bright side. Not nearly as much as the HRT, and the more I listened to it, the more I started to really enjoy it. It is stand alone preamp capable with its volume control, and six inputs. For an exclusive digital system, it fits. When I consider it's versatility, it's great sound presentation, it's price, it's beautiful exterior, (subjective of course), I don't see how you can go wrong. If you want one, I think you should act fast. They were $249 a week ago. I think they must be getting close to the end of this run.

In the end, here's how my impression ranks them,

1st is the Emotiva. It's sound is only slightly less awesome than the Dacit, but it kills the Dacit with versatility, price, and it sounds great too.

2nd is the Dacit. This thing just plain sounds great. If you have limited input needs, and don't need or desire asynchronous USB input, and you don't think the price is wrong, go for it.

3rd is the Maverick. It didn't sound as good as either the Emotiva or the Dacit, but it is extremely versatile, sounds damn good, and with rolling op amps and tubes, who know how good this thing could sound. But out of the box, it's third.

4th and last is the HRT Steeamer II+. It just didn't present the sound in a way that I could enjoy listening too. Maybe with other gear, the synergy would have been better.

Hope this is of some value.
 
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Nice review...

I have to wonder if the MSII+ you had was defective (defective-enough to affect sound-quality). I say that because my regular MSII (not the + model) @ $150 does an incredible job of imaging. No unnatural or boosted-sounding frequencies and not overly-bright (not overly-anything, really). Smooth, warm, and enjoyable. Also, I should note that my MSII performed a lot better when I gave it it's own externally-powered hub (If your computer is a laptop or a not-so-powerful desktop computer, then buying an external hub is a must). I haven't tried the MSII+ model yet, but I've read a bunch of reviews where it was said to be more-accurate, but perhaps not as forgiving as the base-model on mp3's and rough-sounding recordings. Whatever the case, I didn't feel the need the upgrade after buying the MSII (not enough to go spending double what I paid for the MSII).
 
That Maverick looks interesting ... I'm currently using a Behringer UCA202 that's does a respectable job of pulling digital out of the computer and feeding it to my old school quad, but ALSO has analog in so I can do vinyl rips easy as pie. Looks like the Maverick would be a step up from that and still have the convenience? Have you tried doing vinyl rips with it?


D1 vs D2

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One feature I like on the D1 is it uses socketed op amps so you can roll em if ya got em ... I see the D2 upgrades to Burr-Brown components - slap a couple of those in the D1 and see what happens ... hopefully not pOOf! <G> Probably best to check first for any bogus pin assignments. I'm fairly certain they've pretty much standardized by now.

PS ... is the Maverick pricing also a closeout deal seeing as how they're rolling out the D2? Nice feature list, but in my case, I'm thinking I'd miss the analog in, which seems to have disappeared in the New! Improved! model.
 
Nice review...

I have to wonder if the MSII+ you had was defective (defective-enough to affect sound-quality). I say that because my regular MSII (not the + model) @ $150 does an incredible job of imaging. No unnatural or boosted-sounding frequencies and not overly-bright (not overly-anything, really). Smooth, warm, and enjoyable. Also, I should note that my MSII performed a lot better when I gave it it's own externally-powered hub (If your computer is a laptop or a not-so-powerful desktop computer, then buying an external hub is a must). I haven't tried the MSII+ model yet, but I've read a bunch of reviews where it was said to be more-accurate, but perhaps not as forgiving as the base-model on mp3's and rough-sounding recordings. Whatever the case, I didn't feel the need the upgrade after buying the MSII (not enough to go spending double what I paid for the MSII).

I'm with Gang-Twanger on this. I've been using the HRT Streamer II for several months and I find nothing wrong with its sound or performance at all. I'm 110% satisfied with it.
 
1st is the Emotiva. It's sound is only slightly less awesome than the Dacit, but it kills the Dacit with versatility, price, and it sounds great too.

2nd is the Dacit. This thing just plain sounds great. If you have limited input needs, and don't need or desire asynchronous USB input, and you don't think the price is wrong, go for it.

3rd is the Maverick. It didn't sound as good as either the Emotiva or the Dacit, but it is extremely versatile, sounds damn good, and with rolling op amps and tubes, who know how good this thing could sound. But out of the box, it's third.

4th and last is the HRT Steeamer II+. It just didn't present the sound in a way that I could enjoy listening too. Maybe with other gear, the synergy would have been better.

Thank you. I was capable to guess for this order without listening to them, based on my previous experiences with DAC's and their main decoder cip. You just confirmed my suspicions :)
IMO Emotiva will sound even better in a few hours of play, is new and the capacitors need some time to "burn in".

I think that USB audio is not "there" yet and a lot of claims are not founded - the prevalent USB2.0 chips are made by "Far East Company" (Tenor TE7022) and provide NO reclocking or jitter elimination. They are just slightly better than motherboard sound. MSII+ uses a different USB chip thou... made by TI.

Of course if is revealing or not - it's all connected to the type of music used, if the files are compressed lossy on not (most important!), if the headphones/amplifier+speakers are high-grade or cheap ones. Vinyl rips done with a good ADC from "fresh" LP's at 24/96 are the best source to test.
 
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Nice review!

I agree that the XDA-1 is stonking value for money. I bought one second-hand about 6 months ago so that I could have a listen to it and then onsell it, and I must say that it exceeded my expectations.

It's a shame that the MSII+ didn't synergise well with your system. I bought one for a friend who is just starting out with a decent audio system running off his HTPC and the MSII+ positively shines in his system.
 
USB connection is the limiting factor for the MSII+. That can vary from PC to PC, from MAC to PC, what OTHER devices you have connected to the USB outputs, even from the software player used...
 
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I probably should have said that all vinyl rips were of Lp's cleaned just before ripping, and the files are .aiff lossless.
 
USB connection is the limiting factor for the MSII+. That can vary from PC to PC, from MAC to PC, what OTHER devices you have connected to the USB outputs, even from the software player used...

I really-think Kevin H. and Mike. H. at High Resolution Technologies are going for the budgetphile market with their stuff. You know, poor people like me with entry-level, usb-only computers and a vintage receiver who want a budget-friendly, turnkey, digital audiophile setup. The MSII seems custom-designed for that. It's revealing, but it's also very-forgiving towards mp3's (which makes it great for the download crowd). He could have put more connecting options, but that would have bumped up the price a bit, and yet they didn't make any trade-offs on parts-quality at that $150 price either. You're basically getting the best DAC they can make for that price. US-made, low-production, boutique-type stuff, kind of like the hand-built fuzz pedals I use with my guitar amp. The MSII+ seems like it's geared towards budgetphiles looking to go to that next level (I'm currently in the budgetphile category since I own the base-model MSII... The MSII+ would be my next level, but I really-don't feel the need). HRT just released two new products, the LineStreamer (an ADC for digitizing vinyl and other analog sources) and the HDMI Streamer (a dac for intercepting the audio signal from an HDMI-connection on TV's and, I assume, other HDMI-compatible sources). Plus they already have the Headstreamer DAC/headphone-amp. That company's been busy the past year.

With any usb DAC, an external usb-hub is really a necessity, I have to think, but that solved any usb-issues I was having. Actually, it made such a huge difference, I can't see NOT using one, but I would definitely-recommend it to any usb-DAC-owner.

Also, regarding burn-in (and I know plenty of people have speculated over this in the past), I definitely noticed the sound of my MSII improving during the first week. No question. When I first plugged it in, the sound was great, but I noticed the sound getting progressively-warmer over the first 24-48 hours. Then it leveled off, but things have slowly-improved in the months since then.
 
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I've been reading into the asynchronous-mode usb operation a bit. It seems like that technology has progressed quite a bit within the last 2-3 years. Before that, finding an asynchronous-usb DAC for a couple hundred bucks was supposedly unheard of (Yeah, I know I ended with a preposition... So what). Also, prior to last year, I think running 24/96 hi-res through a usb 2.0 connection was unheard of as well (but don't quote me on that). Kevin Halverson at HRT is definitely sold on the potential of asynchronous-usb. According to the reviews, the updated, asynchronous MSII "leap-frogged" over the original, non-asynchrous MS+, which cost more than the MSII does now, plus you factor in the 96/24 capability, which neither of the original MS and MS+ models had.

One thing I like about the HRT products is that they don't resort to sample-rate conversion like a lot of DAC's do (I've read some not-so-good things about sample-rate conversion, although I can't say I understand the technical aspects of it that well... Regardless, asynchronous-usb sounds a lot more-promising).
 
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@ burmashave

I don't think I asked this question before, but.... When you had the MSII+ hooked-up to the laptop, did you just plug it in direct, or did you use any kind of externally-powered hub? I ask because from what I've read, the MS Pro dac makes a lot of demands on the usb-port, so perhaps the same is true of the MSII+ to a degree (On my laptop, the MSII+ would fold like a cheap suit, I'm sure, because even the MSII is a bit too-much for my low-powered laptop... That's why I bought the external hub). Just speculating here... But all the reviews talk about the MSII+ sounding noticably-better than the MSII, and yet I think the MSII sounds amazing.

I'll have to see what more people say about the MSII+, but the consensus on the MSII seems pretty-clear. The only real issue I've seen mentioned was that the soundstage wasn't wide-enough for the sound to move beyond the outer edge of each speaker, and while I understand what they mean, it's never been a problem for me (Besides, on some recordings, I DO hear it move a little past the speakers... Still, I've definitely-heard wider soundstages).

And yes, I do love mine... :D
 
I actually had read what had been suggested re the powered hub. Made good sense to me, so I used it. I have a Macbook Intel duo core with 4 gig mem, and I don't use it for anything else. No virus software running in the background. All it has to do is play music. As a result, I didn't really notice a big difference between with the hub or without it. I didn't hate it, I just thought it should be better.
 
The thing with async USB is that you need to feed it good "stuff". Otherwise garbage in, garbage out.
DirectSound, used by most of players in Windows, just plain sucks. WASAPI sounds a little better - and that you can use with just a few players (Foobar2000 supports that).
The best sound transfer is done with dedicated ASIO drivers (Foobar2000 again) and I don't think MSII+ has those. For example, CA provides such drives for their USB DAC.
PS: ASIO4ALL is just a wrapper around WASAPI so is not better than that.
I am not sure about Mac environment, I understand that only the latest OS supports USB class 2. And ASIO support is... also inexistent for the said DAC.
 
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I actually had read what had been suggested re the powered hub. Made good sense to me, so I used it. I have a Macbook Intel duo core with 4 gig mem, and I don't use it for anything else. No virus software running in the background. All it has to do is play music. As a result, I didn't really notice a big difference between with the hub or without it. I didn't hate it, I just thought it should be better.

Yeah, I figured it probably wasn't the issue, but I had to ask. I figure a 2008 Macbook should have a fair amount of power (certainly compared to my cheapie). I had read a review for the MS Pro where the reviewer mentioned it being a big strain on his old 1998 Macbook, but back then, most/all laptops were not terribly-powerful. One from '08 should be miles ahead in terms of power/CPU (and I don't think I know a single EX-Mac-user).
 
The thing with async USB is that you need to feed it good "stuff". Otherwise garbage in, garbage out.
DirectSound, used by most of players in Windows, just plain sucks. WASAPI sounds a little better - and that you can use with just a few players (Foobar2000 supports that).
The best sound transfer is done with dedicated ASIO drivers (Foobar2000 again) and I don't think MSII+ has those. For example, CA provides such drives for their USB DAC.
PS: ASIO4ALL is just a wrapper around WASAPI so is not better than that.
I am not sure about Mac environment, I understand that only the latest OS supports USB class 2. And ASIO support is... also inexistent for the said DAC.

I had a hard time with both WASAPI and ASIO for some reason (even before I got the DAC). But then I discovered an alternative called Virtual Audio Cable (It's plug-and-play with VLC Media-Player). Unlike WASAPI and ASIO, V.A.C. worked great right off the bat (without any "alterations" like lowering the buffering amount and that sort of thing), plus, to me, on my setup, it made music sound noticably-better than it ever did with the other two. I miss Foobar, and VLC uses significantly-more RAM than Foobar, but I don't miss the problems I was having with WASAPI and ASIO (I tried both repeatedly, but they just don't seem to jive well with my laptop). Virtual Audio Cable isn't very-well-known. So far, I'm the only person I know who uses it... :D

I do understand what you mean about "garbage in, garbage out". I'm more than a bit obsessive when it comes to digital music. If I play any mp3 stuff, it's usually because that's the only copy I have or could find. I avoid brickwalled CD's like the plague, and I collect Mo-Fi, DCC/AF, Sony Mastersound CD's, etc, and I have a fair amount of hi-rez stuff. That kind of thing makes a huge difference (with any system, for that matter). A good system with great-sounding CD's can sound better than a nicer system playing brickwalled CD's. That's one area that a lot of audiophiles miss.
 
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@ burmashave

I'll have to see what more people say about the MSII+, but the consensus on the MSII seems pretty-clear. The only real issue I've seen mentioned was that the soundstage wasn't wide-enough for the sound to move beyond the outer edge of each speaker, and while I understand what they mean, it's never been a problem for me (Besides, on some recordings, I DO hear it move a little past the speakers... Still, I've definitely-heard wider soundstages).


My soundstage goes quite a ways beyond my speakers. This probably has more to do with the speakers than the DAC.
 
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