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Eico ST-70 Rebuild Redux

BuzzK

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A while ago, I embarked on an ambitious project -- to rebuild & mod the ugly old Eico ST-70 integrated amplifier into a real performer . . . both in specs and appearance.

I stripped an old chassis and had it professionally cleaned and refinished. I bought an old Eico from another AKer and pulled off the iron and some other parts.

The basis of my work was to follow Steve Lafferty's excellent article: http://www.tronola.com/ST-70A_mods_package.pdf

In addition, I wanted DC for the filaments preamp and first amp gain stages; I also used K&K Audio's constant current sources for the 6SN7 splitter / drivers. I used a much simpler selector switch and an Alps pot (which could be a Chinese copy).

I also removed the tone control section, and by doing so, made a critical mistake. Steve's mods and measurements depend upon the presence of the (modified) tone control circuitry.

Without the "gestalt" of the entire circuit, the result was lackluster. The output power was reduced, and it was missing a certain "something."

Somewhat from desperation, I reached out to fellow AK'er Dave Gillespie, who lives about an hour up the road. (Dave was as kind and generous in person as he is on the forum).

He spent a bunch of time analyzing the circuit and making recommendations, which included adding parts and measuring the results. The main things he discovered included:

1. Feedback is too high without the tone control circuit;
2. The way I had arranged the volume and balance controls had severe frequency roll-off due to the Miller effect;
3. My grounding needed improvement;
4. The circuit would benefit from a regulated screen supply to the 7591s;
5. A pair of my tubes had been "matched" in a tester, but they were not a match under full load, increasing the distortion.

As you can imagine, it was a huge investment of his time and trouble. Not many folks will go the extra mile, and I was damn grateful.

So I set to work to fix the problems. The feedback loop was changed; I added a cathode follower to deal with the Miller Effect.

The results were really stunning. Great clarity; no hum; plenty of power. Unlike any Eico ST-70 I've heard or seen. I've attached a schematic that includes Dave's circuit suggestions, in case anyone wants to remove the tone section from an Eico.

Thank you, Dave (and Steve) !
 

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Wow! Eico iron with 6CG7s and 6SN7s to 7591s?
That's got to be one fine example of tubaliciousness.

Outstanding chassis, cage, and knobs. Looks like a modern update to me.
 
Jon,

As always .. you floor me .. that is just too fricking cool and to have Dave's input into it just increases the cool exponentially.

Frannie
 
Amazing! Thanks for posting the schematic! I dream about getting around to doing this to my ST70 someday...
 
There's a bit of the man in you too BuzzK.

Dave certainly is the senior mentor and we're lucky to have, well - actually - both of you.
 
IMPORTANT NOTE:

The schematic I previously posted isn't the correct one. I'll be posting a revised and corrected version ASAP.

Thanks -- and sorry for the confusion.
 
Looks great, nice work.
Your lucky to live close to Dave, his knowledge and involvement on AK has helped me a lot too.
 
BussK,

Please post the power supply also. I have a ST-70 that I'm going to build as a basic amp.

Thanks,

Ron
 
BussK,

Please post the power supply also. I have a ST-70 that I'm going to build as a basic amp.

Thanks,

Ron

OK Ron, I spent a day to trace out and draw the power supply for you. I also corrected the mistakes in my prior amplifier schematic post.

I used Stephen Lafferty's phono section mods in my build.

This is an awesome sounding ST-70, if I do say so myself (Dave, can I get a witness? ) :music:

Cheers,

BuzzK
 

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I usually don't like to wade too far into the pool regarding the sound produced from a design I had a direct hand in, as I try to avoid obvious conflicts of interest, or being perceived as being self serving.

However, I must admit that I heartily agree with Buzzk's assessment. We had a chance to listen to his ST-70 over here on my speakers (Cornwalls) with material I am completely familiar with, while comparing it to a number of other amplifiers of completely different topology and performance capabilities.

In all of those tests, Buzz's 70 was very detailed, dynamic, and powerful sounding, only drawing attention to itself by the fact that it doesn't draw attention to itself at all, other than by the sound it produced. Quiet, with virtually no noise, and sound that just seemed effortless. And the looks are just killer. I was one that never thought the ST-70 could ever look like anything special, let alone even nice. Buzz's amp has looks, and the sound to back it up!

Dave
 
Dave,

Sorry to put you on the spot (Dave is very modest), but I wanted to give you full credit for some really great work. Thank you!
 
I'm trying to convince a guy here at the shop, to go ahead and build his "ST70 clone" amp with these same Eico ST70 transformers, and either EL34 or 6550 tubes... doing the "hot rod" trick of running the 8 ohm taps on 4 ohm speakers, and the 16 ohm tap on 8 ohm speakers.

I need to show this to him- maybe it'll motivate him to get off his butt... :D

Regards,
Gordon.
 
BuzzK,

Thank you very much for going to all the trouble on the schematics. They look great and so does your amp.

Thanks again,

Ron
 
You're welcome. Hopefully others will be able to save some time and trouble with them.

Tonight I'm listening to it. I'm experiencing the opposite of listener fatigue. I'm enjoying the music so much, I don't want to go to bed yet!
 
Thank you for this thread, BuzzK.

I picked up an Eico ST70 a couple of months ago and I have the good fortune of knowing a great tech who is re-building it for me.

There's a long way to go yet because it was a kit so, in addition to new tube sockets and other things, he is about to re-wire it.

Ultimately, the finishing touch will be a new custom faceplate and having the cover re-painted by a good autobody shop.

I hope you don't mind if we drop you a line later for contact info on getting a faceplate.

Congratulations on a spectacular unit!
 
Dear BuzzK,

well I know, I am posting in a six years old thread, but really hope that you are still around and can answer here.

I have an EICO ST-70 that was sleeping in the garage since many years. One year ago, I decided to restore it.

I did the same initial mistake that you did, after following Steve Lafferty’s article on Tronola, I decided to strip off completely the tone stage.

I had the same result that you had, a low output power.

Thanks to your posts here, I see the reason and I am now going to modify it again, implementing the 6CG7 tube as for your new diagram.

There are a couple of things that are not clear.

In the picture of the modified amp that you have shown in your first post, I can see 10 tubes in total, exactly the same situation of my amp in the current state. They should be eleven; am I missing something or that picture has been taken before the implementation of the 6CG7 tube?

The second question is related to the K&K constant current source for the cathodes of the 6SN7s.

In your wiring diagram, I see such device within the dotted lines frame, but between such device and the cathodes there is what looks like a transformer, with an arrow and the 6mA value. What is that? I can’t understand.

BTW I did write to K&K but had no answer, so I will look around here in Italy if I can find something appropriate.

In the original wiring diagram, there is just a resistor connecting the cathodes to the ground. Do you think that I could just keep it that way in case I will not find a constant current source?

Thank you very much for answering, if you can.

Kind regards

Giovanni
PS: BTW, as it is the amp is sounding really fine, but it has low power and a bit of hum, that I will try to fix through a better layout of the groundings.
 
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