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My Fisher TA 600 is better than new

RS Steve

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Just finished putting my mahogany wrapper on my new Christmas present. I purchased it in original condition from a fellow AKer, and had it sent to Sony6060 for a full update and restoration. It turned out way better than I'd ever imagined, The Mahogany case just looks rich and classy. Now I have to let it play in for a good while and see how great it sounds paired with my home built Lascala speakers.

I hope Jim will chime in and post what was done, and how his testing progressed in finding the best upgrades

I really appreciate all the time and effort he put in on this unit, he wouldn't settle for anything but the best sound. :thmbsp:
 

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Oh, that's beautiful! The cabinet looks great with the brass faceplate.

I bet it'll sound even better than it looks!
 
The TA-600 has really warmed up, my Robscala speakers are giving me a LIVE Joe Satriani concert at the moment. Wow, just sounds amazing!
 

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Detail Fisher TA-600 Rebuild

I was asked to share the rebuild.

The Fisher TA-600 receiver is built like a tank. The power transformer appears to be 400-500 VA and the audio transformers are generous for a pair of 7189 (6BQ5 with higher ratings).

The power supply makes use of two rectifier tubes. A GZ34 for the amplifier and a EZ80 for the receiver section. The power supplies are unusual with 150 ohms resistor installed after the rectifier and before the 60uF main filter capacitor. The receiver uses 47 ohms resistance in-between the rectifier and first filter capacitor. Although 60uF performs, I prefer better filtering of the high voltage. Per PSUII power supply designer, 11 volts of AC ripple exists. The high voltage is at 410 volts.

I rebuilt the power supply using a 10uF @ 370 VAC motor run type filter cap at the rectifier output. To fit in the location, the capacitor is not a can type and only one inch in diameter. To maintain a high voltage output of approximately 400 volts, a series resistor of 250 ohms @ 25 watts was placed at the capacitor negative lead to ground. Without the series resistor, the voltage would soar to approximately 450 volts. The output is now a more conservative 390 volts. The 10uF capacitor is a poly type to handle the higher ripple current. Using a 10uF electrolytic in this location may overheat a small value capacitor.

Next, room was found at the under chassis can capacitor that is held with a clamp. The can capacitor was replaced with two 47uF & two 22uF capacitors rated at 450 volts DC. Original was 30uF-30uF-10uF-10uF. The left over space allowed space for a 1HY choke with a DCR of 50 ohms for a new CLC filter.

The two above chassis can capacitors were replaced with CE manufacture 40uF-40uF-20uF-20uF rated at 525 volts DC. I parallel two 40uF sections for 80uF effective capacitance for the high voltage CLC filter of 10uF-1HY-80uF. The rest of the can capacitor sections were used for the other existing circuits. The AC ripple is now approximately 3 volts with the new filter design.

I have never been a fan of the 7199 for a preamp/phase splitter. Purchasing 6GH8 to 7199 socket adapters, a pair of Amperex 6BL8 tubes were installed in the adapters. The 6BL8 shares same pin out with the 6GH8. The 7199 triode section has a gm of 40 and the 6BL8 of only 20gm. Enough gain is available as to not under drive the circuit.

Imagine a film being lifted from a window pane. You would not know the film was in place until removed. That is how the Amperex 6BL8 sound compared to the RCA 7199s.

I was fortunate to find my favorite 6BQ5 family of tubes in place being GE manufacture.

Rolling various tubes I would have believe my favorite RCA 12AX7 tall black plate the best performer. The Raytheon 12AX7 tall black plate won out in the preamp and tone circuits. The phono section may likely be best served with Brimar CV4035, however Westinghouse 12AX7 narrow short plate will serve well here for about $150 less per pair.

Four of the 12AX7s have cathode bypass capacitors. I replace the old capacitors with Elna Silmic II. I find the Silmic II to sound as good as the discontinued Black Gate capacitors. The 7189 cathode bypass was replaced with a Elna Silmic II of 220uF @ 100 volts DC. The well matched 7189s did not require individual bias. This is a call here for a single or dual capacitors serving each pair.

All coupling capacitors were changed to K40Y-9 paper/oil type. The capacitors are true foil, not metalized capacitors.

The rebuilt TA-600 is a beautiful sounding receiver. The new case is just beautiful. This TA-600 is a very clean example and a pleasure to upgrade.
 
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Nice to see so much love being put into those Fishers, enjoy them. Looks nice Steve, I love those ones that have the brass faceplates. By the looks of it you might want to rub in some oil or something on the case, isn't that appropriate?
 
The Alchemist strikes again! Jim rebuilt my sweet little brass faced el84 Fisher too - just awesome! This 600 looks like a big bro to my 101st - I bet "post Sony6060" this beautiful unit is a KILLER!

:ntwrthy:
 
Rolling various tubes I would have believe my favorite RCA 12AX7 tall black plate the best performer. The Raytheon 12AX7 tall black plate won out in the preamp and tone circuits. The phono section may likely be best served with Brimar CV4035, however Westinghouse 12AX7 narrow short plate will serve well here for about $150 less per pair.

What a beautiful receiver. Fascinating how the Raytheons and the Westinghouses won out, whereas in other receivers/amps the result could have been different.

EDIT: I realized I misread something that Sony said. The Brimars could very well sound best in phono but Westinghouses were opted for.
 
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Absolutely stunning! I love the mahogany case!
And cheers to you, Sony. I really like how you described each step of the way, and why you did it, as you progressed through the rebuild. This is a great tool for numbskulls like me who were socially promoted in high school.:D

John
 
What a beautiful receiver. Fascinating how the Raytheons and the Westinghouses won out, whereas in other receivers/amps the result could have been different.
Is that Crazy Guggenheim with Jackie Gleason? I remember watching him on TV when I was but a wee lad :P

John
 
I was asked to share the rebuild.



The rebuilt TA-600 is a beautiful sounding receiver. The new case is just beautiful. This TA-600 is a very clean example and a pleasure to upgrade.


^ yeah what he said. :yes:

By the way Jim has also been teaching me French, ahhh, well more like electronics jargon. :D

Super job Jim, I just love people that put that much of themselves into their work or hobby.

The warmer the 600 got the better it sounded, more listening fun tomorrow. :music:
 
Nice to see so much love being put into those Fishers, enjoy them. Looks nice Steve, I love those ones that have the brass faceplates. By the looks of it you might want to rub in some oil or something on the case, isn't that appropriate?

It is supposed to be rubbed with semi soft bees wax, my cell phone flash makes the finish look very dry and flat but it has a nice semi gloss finish.
 
Very nice! I also have a TA 600 and a nice cabinet from Mcintosh cabinets.

Very interesting upgrades that were done to your receiver. I restored mine to stock specs a few years ago. It sounds very nice. I can only imagine what yours sounds like with all the upgrades. I'd like to give it a listen someday.

The TA's are my favorite of the Fisher receivers.
 
I've also got a TA-600 rehabbed it this past summer. I play it more than my 800-c stand-alone, although the Executive console also gets a workout. The 600 pushes the OLA's very nicely. Almost holographic.

Larry
 
BTW- Having two Fisher MX-100 FM multiplexers on hand, I listened to the TA-600 mono FM receiver in stereo. Frankly, I did not miss FM stereo as the TA-600 stock FM tuner sounds so good in mono. The TA-600 has a sensitive tuner that filled the dial with FM stations.
 
BTW- Having two Fisher MX-100 FM multiplexers on hand, I listened to the TA-600 mono FM receiver in stereo. Frankly, I did not miss FM stereo as the TA-600 stock FM tuner sounds so good in mono. The TA-600 has a sensitive tuner that filled the dial with FM stations.

I hate radio around here so I will probably won't be using it much, but it's nice to know it sounds good. I have a multiplexer here that came with my Harmon Kardon receiver, not sure if it would work on another though.
 
I hate radio around here so I will probably won't be using it much, but it's nice to know it sounds good. I have a multiplexer here that came with my Harmon Kardon receiver, not sure if it would work on another though.

Perhaps Xmas music on FM in the background during the holiday. The Fisher MX-100 has a blend control on back. I like the control set to about 80% of maximum separation- very smooth. Knowing me as a tube rolling nut, the MX-100 wants an RCA 12AX7 black plate tube. :D
 
I moved the 600 into my tube room today. :D

Looks much better for pictures, and I have my modded Heresy speakers hooked to it to see how it sounds with them. Playing Clapton Journeyman album at the moment. :thmbsp:
 

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