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gonna try tube preamp,2 Choices

cleonjr

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Ok I am going to be doing another amp Project it is going to be 2 TDA7492 BTL boards done in parelel,I have never tried any of the tube Preamps ,But I am interested. here is the amplifier http://www.ebay.com/itm/Class-D-TDA...118?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51bb7100b6
Work on wide range of voltage :support 10~26V DC,2~4A
Biger rate of power ,RMS:50W/per channel in 8Ohm speaker,or 100W*1 in BTL model.and very Quiet back noise,you almost can not hear it.
With 4 model GAIN parts.can auto work on different voltage.
This amplifier using TDK inductance filiter output.it's HiFi parts.clean and without any noise output.without BOOM...big noise when turn amplifier.
STMicroelectronics TDA7492 chip.low price.but with big power and good sound quality outout,
PCB size:70*57mm

And Here are my 2 preamps I need to choose one they both look good to me but I have no experience. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/6N3-...-include-transformer-110V-220V/936035666.html 6N3 + 6Z4 tube valve preamp amplifier ZERO noise inclu transformer 110V/220V UK (Size:24.5 * 12.5 * 6CM),Weight:1.45KG,
It's a very good preamp.it's new design version.better sound quality and beauty exterior,easy assembling it.all Electronic component are using professional units.
1:Fully shielded transformer,and the High voltage filter capacitor using Original Philips BC capacitor.then you can get a pure power from tranformer.this is the basis for pure music output.
2:All resistance using solid core resistance,Safety at Higher Power Resistance builds up as current flows through a wire. that resistance causes heat, which increases as the amount of power increases. Too much heat can cause a fire. Braid-stranded wire carries more power with less heat due to a greater surface area.
3:Audiophiler MKP pro audio coupling capacitor.and nichicon filtering capacitance , be sure the pure music output.almost without any back noise,when you turn volume to MAX.just can listen a little noise floor.
i test it with my other headphone amplifier and power tube amplifier(if you're interested in those amplfier.you can check it in my store) .the sound is very clear,person vocal very warm with magnetic.like that singer just face to you.Sound of breathing distinguish very clearly.
4,About the input and output interface.all using GOLD RCA interface.
(any ways.sorry for my bad english),i think it's will not let you down.
else.becaue is tube preamp.usually the amplifier need warm time about 5-10 minutes,after can work in perfact status.

and the other one, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/6J1-6P1-High-End-headphone-preamplifier-HIFI/1761312458.html 6J1 6P1 High End headphone preamplifier HIFI

Description
The biggest highlight of this machine is that it uses a high-quality beef output resistance of the United States military regulations, the Japanese ruby, ELNA, BC series of high-quality capacitors, and Taiwan producing high-quality potentiometers.
only with bovine bile output tube amp amp can really reflect the taste, this machine is very low overall distortion, high signal to noise ratio, music, good sense. With the tube, hailed as classics by foreign adopted with the 6J1 +6 P1 (the machine uses military grade duct), sound gorgeous, IF dense, wide dynamic overload strong, and the tube at home easy to buy, maintain very convenient. The machine has intimate retreated Headphone Impedance transform switches can be used with 32Ω, 120Ω, 300Ω, 600Ω different impedance headphones, is AKG, Beyerdynamic such a good partner in the high-end headphones
Most significant feature of this machine is the same as before the class to use bile, a dedicated preamp output RCA interface with any type of after-class with the use of music to enhance a sense of the original system, and dynamic. Friends are made, Swans, MP, three Connaught, Walkman and other active speaker upgrade good partner.
This machine replayability is very high, I push through K501, DT231, HD595 HD600 results are very satisfactory.
Particularly worth mentioning is that this machine both can be used as headphone amplifier, but also as a former level, whether it is active home stereo or PC, is a good choice, forward-looking even better after the stone quality is excellent value for money DIY Fine.

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ANd I will be trying out a variety of speakers to find the right match,ADS L710,Nova 8B.And other simular sets ranging from 4-8 ohm.
 
Come on somebody,I need some helpon this I am new to tubes and want to give them a shot as a Preamp.
 
Those cheap chinese tube thingies seem to be very much hit and miss, you get what you pay for I suppose. Maybe also take a look at a higher quality USA/Europe counterpart pre/phono tube amp like Project sunrise by Garage1217.
 
Why not go with something tried and true? For example a Dynaco Pas3.
Tons of mods and boards to try. With or without tone controls etc.
 
Yes there are plenty of the tried and true,I am evaluating these cheap amps ,and Have decided to try the Peeamps as well and just need advice on the 2 I have noted on post #1 .I have really been impressed with the amplifiers no i want to match a amp and a preamp.the tried and true are already proven.
 
The little bear supposedly sounds pretty good but has a way too sensitive volume knob, shoddy build quality and not very reliable. I don't know about the other one but I would guess probably similar. The 'audiophile' parts on such low-price Chinese kits may or may not be counterfeits.

If you're trying to score gold at this pricepoint, it will involve more luck than wisdom I think, so if you feel lucky, just give it a shot. It's a pretty cheap gamble to make.
 
The little bear supposedly sounds pretty good but has a way too sensitive volume knob, shoddy build quality and not very reliable. I don't know about the other one but I would guess probably similar. The 'audiophile' parts on such low-price Chinese kits may or may not be counterfeits.

If you're trying to score gold at this pricepoint, it will involve more luck than wisdom I think, so if you feel lucky, just give it a shot. It's a pretty cheap gamble to make.

no not gold I know it is hit our miss I think one will make my mind up,Maybe I should just flip a coin.I actualy just wanted to see what all the huplah with the tube pre's was allabout,they seem to enjoy a bit of praise on the 3116 thread.
 
I have never really gotten into tubes on my stereo system,I do have a fender vibralux and a couple peavys that are tube driven so I do no the diference and I do enjoy playing through tube than SS.I figure $70 not a bad Gamble to find out,I have a Myriad of chip Amps I plan on trying out so a good pre is gonna be a plus or I will go back to a transister fet type Pre.
 
oh yea and If you notice they are both all in one solutions with PS onboard.that shows my noobie side.and leaves me one less question later.
 
Dunno about the preamps, but the specs given for the amp board don't seem to match what ST says about the chip.

ST says 40W @ 8 ohms @ 10% thd and 32W @ 8 ohms @ 1% thd. Also, in ST's data sheet I didn't see any mention output rating in PBTL mode. Since there was no output given it makes me suspicious whether PBTL mode is available as the seller claims.
 
Purely based on looks and the presence of a headphone output, I would pick the 6J1/6P1 one. Also it has the more hilarious Engrish description :D. "only with bovine bile output tube amp amp can really reflect the taste". If nothing else, you're at least buying comedy gold :)

Also depending on if your primary goal is tinkering and the fun of finding out how good/bad some of these peculiar items are, or getting a reliable system that sounds hifi, you may still find the alternative preamp I suggested earlier of interest as well. Keep in mind that these chinese cheapo's are not even measured at all (and the ones that are should be looked at with even more suspicion). But don't let any of that ruin the fun, and do let us know how it works out!
 
I never have been a seperates fan,I basicly like the itntegrated as my main choicesI run a KK 3490 as my main syestem and a technics su V8X as my backup both give me what I want as far as sound,I am to old to switch to seperates at this point.Basicly I just play with these chinese TOYS,

As My hobbie now, I still collect bookself speakers but my Amps are all decided and kept at the ready,just on a side note I Have A Grundig A 9009,I bought new in "94 so i am pretty well covrerd in the amp terotorie.It is all just fun and games now.
 
Purely based on looks and the presence of a headphone output, I would pick the 6J1/6P1 one. Also it has the more hilarious Engrish description :D. "only with bovine bile output tube amp amp can really reflect the taste". If nothing else, you're at least buying comedy gold :)

Also depending on if your primary goal is tinkering and the fun of finding out how good/bad some of these peculiar items are, or getting a reliable system that sounds hifi, you may still find the alternative preamp I suggested earlier of interest as well. Keep in mind that these chinese cheapo's are not even measured at all (and the ones that are should be looked at with even more suspicion). But don't let any of that ruin the fun, and do let us know how it works out!

Ok i will and thank You for your input.
 
Dunno about the preamps, but the specs given for the amp board don't seem to match what ST says about the chip.

ST says 40W @ 8 ohms @ 10% thd and 32W @ 8 ohms @ 1% thd. Also, in ST's data sheet I didn't see any mention output rating in PBTL mode. Since there was no output given it makes me suspicious whether PBTL mode is available as the seller claims.

that is why I ask for advice I do not go by the specs the sellers put up and the actual specs from the Chjip maker are over my head for the most part. but I tra and read through it.Arent you the one that said the 3116 was a POS.?
 
No, I didn't say the 3116 was a POS. I own one, the blue/black board version, and am completely satisfied with the price vs. performance.

I did say, about the 3116, that unless you have 2 or 3 ohm speakers you're probably wasting your time with PBTL mode because that's what impedances are necessary to get the nice power increase in PBTL mode.
 
No, I didn't say the 3116 was a POS. I own one, the blue/black board version, and am completely satisfied with the price vs. performance.

I did say, about the 3116, that unless you have 2 or 3 ohm speakers you're probably wasting your time with PBTL mode because that's what impedances are necessary to get the nice power increase in PBTL mode.

OH ok I have to apologize I got you mixed up with someone else,that was trying to show these amps as Junk in the long run.Sorry Sir.
 
Those cheap chinese tube thingies seem to be very much hit and miss, you get what you pay for I suppose. Maybe also take a look at a higher quality USA/Europe counterpart pre/phono tube amp like Project sunrise by Garage1217.

With the 6N3 Matisse circuit you get a serious preamp and a $50 giant killer. If my Bottlehead Foreplay III died today I wouldn't think twice about using this as a replacement.

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