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uber RARE Wharfedale Corner Speaker in GTA, So/Ont!

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It KILLS me to post this! I've struggled with this one. I so want it, but I just can't justify it for myself. :tears: So, for my 500th post.......

Big Wharfedale Corner cabinet, with 15" and HFs up top, plus crossovers, for STUPID cheap!

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1005000162

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If I remember my past googling correctly. this may be the rig that Gilbert Briggs used for his "live vs speaker" theatre demos! Could be mono heaven!

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Yes, it most-certainly was. Gilbert & Co. would have four of these onstage, and I think four of the SFB3's (once the SFB3 was introduced, which happened in 1956). The 3-way omni-directional corner speaker, as Wharfedale referred to it, was available in multiple configurations, and you could order the optional rear panels if you didn't have a free corner space available (With the rear panels, you could use them in other areas of the room as freestanding cabinets). Now, if I'm correct on this, the front baffle AND the two rear panels were each sand-filled. Total weight per cab has got to be WELL-over 250lbs. Each of those rear panels must hold 20lbs of sand, and the 15" alnico woofers are heavy SOB's.

I just picked up an unfinished pair of these things (Just the woofer enclosures and the 15" woofers... No treble tops), which will make for a cool project. With the woofer enclosures alone, you can do many different things, including run one of the Wharfedale full-range drivers, or you could do a two-way system with the alnico Super 3 tweeters, or you can do a three-way system with the alnico Super 8 as a midrange and the Super 3 tweeter (and I bet you could make some kind of universal-pivot adaptor for the Super 3 to aim it wherever you need, since the alnico Super 3 can be free-air-mounted and aimed upwards or front-firing... Jensen had a big speaker model back in the tube-era with a horn-driver that was mounted on a kind of "Sit 'N Spin" rotating fixture which allowed the listener to aim it wherever needed).
 
Yes, it most-certainly was.....

I just picked up an unfinished pair of these things (Just the woofer enclosures and the 15" woofers... No treble tops), which will make for a cool project. With the woofer enclosures alone, you can do many different things, including run one of the Wharfedale full-range drivers, or you could do a two-way system with the alnico Super 3 tweeters, or you can do a three-way system with the alnico Super 8 as a midrange and the Super 3 tweeter (and I bet you could make some kind of universal-pivot adaptor for the Super 3 to aim it wherever you need, since the alnico Super 3 can be free-air-mounted and aimed upwards or front-firing... Jensen had a big speaker model back in the tube-era with a horn-driver that was mounted on a kind of "Sit 'N Spin" rotating fixture which allowed the listener to aim it wherever needed).

Hey, I found this unit at page 7 of the "Wharfedale Cabinet Models 1962" pdf, available for download here:

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Wharfedale_cat.htm

Are your drivers foam or cloth (felt) surround? Let us know how they sound after you've hooked them up.

My limited googling says the likely 15" in these was spec'd as 20-25Hz, to 1500 Hz. Does you cabinet have any crossover bits in it?

The 1962 brochure says the speakers were (as you suggested) Super 8 and Super 3, and crossed over at "400 c/s" and 3000 c/s." At "12/15 ohms", the Erse online X-over calculator suggests a (first order) inductor of 4.7 to 5.97 on the woofer. Big fella. I don't think you could get by without a mid-range above these woofers.

If you're considering a "mid", and would consider vintage british NON-wharfedale, I'd like to put in a good word for the Richard Allan CG10T. I'm running a pair in my crude first open baffle setup. Very sweet and musical. They've got a range from somewhat below 100Hz to 10kHz. Might play very well with the W15.

Damn, that listing is STILL up!
 
I've actually downloaded all of those PDF's, but for some reason, I can't open the big 24-page one (Keeps saying I need the current version of Adobe Reader, even though I thought I already HAD the current one... The other ones I can read, and I've seen the corner cab listed in the condensed catalog file (the second link from the top, underneath the SFB3 PDF).

For a short time, the big corner cab was listed/sold simultaneously along with the Airedale, which was supposed to be like an updated, free-standing version of the corner system, but with a smaller footprint and 4 cu. ft. of displacement for the 15" woofer as opposed to the 3-way corner unit, which had something like 9 cu. ft... Also, the Airedale had a ceramic 15" woofer, and I think the Super 8 and Super 3 mid and tweeter may have originally been equipped with alnico magnets, but I think one or both were later changed to ceramic ones, although I don't know for sure. On the other hand, the big corner cab, as far as I know, was only ever offered with alnico drivers, and the same was true for the W4. Another difference between the 3-way corner unit and the Airedale was the back section/s. The corner cab could be ordered with optional sand-filled rear panels to make it a freestanding version for people without available corner space (The cabs I got include these panels). The Airedale, however, used ceramic tiles to make the rear panels non-resonant and deal with backwaves).

The woofers have cloth surrounds, but I'm not 100% sure whether they're the W15CS woofers (early to mid '50's) or the W15RS/DD (1959 through 1964, give or take), which both had some form of cloth surround. Been busy the last two days, so I haven't had time to compare pictures. I'm pretty sure the woofer was run full-range like every other alnico woofer 8" or larger in models made '62 or earlier, although I still have to look into all of that and make sure (My W90's, made in 9/'63, are the original dual 3-way version, which had the woofers running full-range and have TWO sand-filled rear panels and no rear-venting, and this was a characteristic of most/all of those early, all-alnico Wharfedale models... Gilbert Briggs apparently preferred running woofers full-range where possible and liked to keep it simple, using fjrst-order crossovers and that sort of thing... The SFB3 had a first-order crossover, the tweeter being the only driver with certain frequencies filtered out).

I still need to have the woofers checked out, and I plan to give this project a lot of thought before I get into wiring everything together. The 3-way corner unit first appeared in 1953, I believe, and it's listed in the 1953 catalog as having crossover frequencies of 800cs and 5000cs (Still not sure what the hell "cs" means... Perhaps it's just the old way of saying "hz", but I haven't determined that yet). Like I said before, Wharfedale made certain changes/updates to individual models over time, so it's hard to say what's what. Still a lot to research before I really get into these things. Still waiting on my Fisher 800C at the repair shop, and that's gonna' take a large bite out of my budget as it is, so the corner cabs are gonna' be a bit slow on the uptake, at least for the moment. Lots on my plate right now, plus there's the matter of the corner cab's uber-large footprint, so I'm taking this race slow and steady, just like Mr. Tortoise. The cabs are unfinished and disassembled (which was good because otherwise they would have been a bear, to transport), so I think I'm gonna' look into getting the outside surface of each panel veneered eventually, since I have a couple family friends who might be able to help me with that. I'll know more after I do some reading and talk to a few people. I'll be plenty busy with my Fisher anyway once it's done (Been missing my W90's). The corner cabs are a bucket list project, so I might as well take my time and do it right ("We can do it, baybay... Do it tonight").

Holy freeholie... Did I type all that?
 
..........I'm pretty sure the woofer was run full-range like every other alnico woofer 8" or larger in models made '62 or earlier, although I still have to look into all of that and make sure (My W90's, made in 9/'63, are the original dual 3-way version, which had the woofers running full-range and have TWO sand-filled rear panels and no rear-venting, and this was a characteristic of most/all of those early, all-alnico Wharfedale models... Gilbert Briggs apparently preferred running woofers full-range where possible and liked to keep it simple, using fjrst-order crossovers and that sort of thing... The SFB3 had a first-order crossover, the tweeter being the only driver with certain frequencies filtered out).

I still need to have the woofers checked out, and I plan to give this project a lot of thought before I get into wiring everything together. ............ The corner cabs are a bucket list project, so I might as well take my time and do it right.

Thanks for history. Taking your time, and doing it right certainly sounds like a plan.

As you say, the 15s in those cabs may be full range. In both my W60s and W90s though, there's a choke (inductor) on the LF. Big spool of what looks like aluminum wire. They look to be hand-wound, without any marking, so I have no idea what the value is for each. I don't have any way to test at this point. But I'm assuming there's some HF roll off at some frequency level. (And, yeah, I assumed the old "c/s", was "cycles per second".....= Herz)

Hope you get your Fisher back soon!
 
It's often written as "cps," or "cycles per second." "CS" should be the same thing. Same as "hz."

Thanks for that... I figured as much... I wonder when "hertz/hz" was chosen as the industry standard... "Hertz" sounds a lot better than "Avis" anyway (or "As"... as in "10,000as" or "10kas" :D ).

Just got back from house-sitting, and the past couple days were pretty-busy, so to those who messaged me, I'll get to the replies later today.
 
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The Hertz is named after the German physicist Heinrich Hertz.

It was adopted for the SI unit of frequency around 1933.

The name Hertz was adopted by the CGPM in 1960, replacing the previous name for the unit, cycles per second (cps), along with its related multiples (kilocycles, megacycles, and so forth). Hertz replaced cycles per second in common use by 1970.
 
Very cool monsters. I once found a DIY corner speaker with Wharfedales in it, but as I recall it had a 10 or 12" woofer, 8" mid (both red magnet felt surround drivers I think), and an EV-T35 or 350 horn. Cabinet was so badly done I parted it out. I think I still have the mid. I suppose the builder may have been dreaming of this speaker when he knocked that one together.
 
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