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I added remote volume control to a vintage quad Marantz! No modification needed!

rlisin

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For a while now I’ve been wondering how to add remote volume control to a vintage stereo or quad amp/receiver (without modifying the unit in question). Yesterday I succeeded!

Few days ago I spotted this thingy on our local auction site.

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It’s a Teufel ControlStation 2, dedicated for 5.1 active computer speakers, but sold separately and marketed as a preamp. In reality it is a glorified volume control unit for 6 discrete channels. Scale goes from 0 to 60, it attenuates from 50 to 0, has small gain from 50 to 60. It has 3 inputs (one 6 channel, two stereo), one 6 channel output.

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AND IT IS REMOTE CONTROLLED!

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So I grabbed it and yesterday it arrived. Took out my Marantz 4240, a multiformat player I use it with, and hooked it up. And it works like a charm!

Basically there are 3 ways of putting it in the system. Just like a graphic EQ, you can connect it between the source and the amp’s/receiver’s input, or to the tape loop (if you have that), or to pre out/main in (if you have that). My Marantz 4240 has tape loops and pre out/main jacks (Euro versions do, US versions don’t have pre/main), I tested both, both worked fine.

The way I set it up is connect the receiver’s TAPE OUT or PRE OUT to the controller’s inputs, and then the controller’s outputs to the receiver’s TAPE IN or MAIN IN. This controller has 6ch inputs and outputs, so I can control volume of all 4 channels of my quad Marantz. Then I set the volume level on the control station to 50 (which is 100% input level - no attenuation, no gain) and set the volume on my receiver a bit above my loudest listening level. And then decrease volume with the controller. This way, the controller gives mi the entire volume range I use. I have remote controlled volume, volume muting, and if I use tape loop I can even have source selector for whatever is set on the receiver and 2 other stereo sources that can be connected to two remaining inputs of the controller. For example: select FM on the receiver, connect a CDP and PC to the Teufel controller, and you can switch between FM, CDP and PC using the controller’s remote.

The thingy has no tone control (which is good) and very good frequency response (0.5 dB drop at 15 Hz and 25 kHz, linear between 15 Hz and 25 kHz), low THD (<0.03%), and channel imbalance is below 0.05 dB at all volume levels. Only signal to noise ratio is less than perfect (57 dB), but in real life negligible. I couldn’t hear any noise/hum with my ear to the speaker and the controller connected directly to MAIN IN. No startup/turn off noise either. If you use standby, it remembers the last volume setting, if you unplug it completely (which happens if you power it from switched AC output of the amp) it resets to volume level 30 (a bit more than half volume).

If you use tape loop to connect, you can take it out of the signal path simply by switching from TAPE back to SOURCE. And it has 3 inputs, so you don’t have one line input less, you actually gain one input.

This device is only available in Europe as far as I know, but I’m sure there are similar units available in the US. If not, it works with 12V DC, so you just need a power adapter.

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Great idea, sounds like a handy gadget to have around, thanks for the heads-up.
I have a Marantz 4230, that range look fabulous - proper hifi! I bought mine just for the looks but it sounds good, too. :yes:

... I must admit, though, that if it were me I'd keep the remote doohickey away from the Marantz gear - clash of cultures, or what!
 
I've never heard their speakers, but this little box is certainly does not disappoint. The thing I've found quite strange is that Teufel didn't publish specs for this (anywhere, they are not on their website, nor in the user manual, nor the online professional "reviews"). And the specs are actually good, no reason to hide it. Good thing that someone actually measured the performance and put the results online (and that I can read German).

I still have to test other functions: stereo inputs, headphone output, although I don't expect too much from the latter.

Great idea, sounds like a handy gadget to have around, thanks for the heads-up.
I have a Marantz 4230, that range look fabulous - proper hifi! I bought mine just for the looks but it sounds good, too. :yes:

... I must admit, though, that if it were me I'd keep the remote doohickey away from the Marantz gear - clash of cultures, or what!

Oh I will. The pic is taken in my "try it out" space, ultimately the box will be out of sight :)
 
Wow, thanks for the thread. It looks like a really great way to have your cake and eat it too. I'm suprised there aren't more units like this out there.
 
I know. It took me 3 years to find a device that does that, isn't a full HT preamp and doesn't cost more than the Marantz receiver I use it with :)
I wouldn't mind level adjustment for each channel (that would give me balance control, handy with some multichannel mixes), but it is the only thing this box does not have, and I can live without it.

I tested the other two outputs. They work well, switching between sources works fine and the unit remembers the stereo/surround setting. (Default option is to create 5.1 output from stereo input, but it does not alter the front channels when doing that, and you can switch it to PURE mode, which is 2ch in, 2ch out). So the box gives me 2 stereo inputs in my Marantz instead of the one 4ch TAPE input it uses. That's a good trade, considering I normally only connect one 4 channel source, everything else is stereo.

Headphone amp is actually not bad, sounds a bit better than SACD player's headphone jack with my Sennheiser HD-555 and HD-500, and surprisingly also with 600 ohm Sennheiser HD-400.

Nice work.

I found this on eBay in the US but haven't grabbed it. Similar function (stereo only) but may be an alternative. I'm going to stick with walking over to it, but sometimes if I'm in the middle of knitting when the SU gives the attenuation order (in other words, when the wife yells up the stairs to turn it down), it's a pain to put the work down to do it.

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That wouldn't cut it for me, I need 4 channels discrete input and output. But looks like a good alternative for stereo amps.
 
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With this MCM controller: it has only one input, so I would try pre-out / main in first and listen for noise. If it sounds fine, leave it there, this way you don't lose any line inputs. According to user comment it's not noisy, but you never know until you try it yourself. Note that you'd have to physically disconnect it and put back the Pre/main jumpers to remove it from signal path (listen without it).

If there's audible noise, move it to Tape 2 loop. This way it will be before the Pioneer's volume pot, meaning the external controller's own noise will be attenuated. Also, you will be able to listen without it in the signal path simply by turning Tape Monitor 2 off. Also note that you lose one line input, and I'm not sure how it works with listening to Tape 1 as source through Tape 2 loop in Pioneer SX-727. Theoretically if you have this device in Tape 2 loop, you want to listen to source connected to Tape 1 input, I think you press both Tape buttons, but you'd have to check that. You can check by looping Tape 2 with interconnect cable.
 
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I've found one more way of using my Teufel device: connecting a powered sub.

If you switch it from 5.1 to 5.0 (rear panel switch), instead of using the subwoofer channel input (which I don't have) it mixes the signal from the front channels right and left to the subwoofer channel output. Which means I can now connect a powered sub to any amp and control it's volume while controlling all other channels with this unit. Tried and it works fine.
 
For a while now I’ve been wondering how to add remote volume control to a vintage stereo or quad amp/receiver (without modifying the unit in question). Yesterday I succeeded!

Few days ago I spotted this thingy on our local auction site.

14019873.jpg


It’s a Teufel ControlStation 2, dedicated for 5.1 active computer speakers, but sold separately and marketed as a preamp. In reality it is a glorified volume control unit for 6 discrete channels. Scale goes from 0 to 60, it attenuates from 50 to 0, has small gain from 50 to 60. It has 3 inputs (one 6 channel, two stereo), one 6 channel output.

teufel-controlstation-2-000.jpg


AND IT IS REMOTE CONTROLLED!

teufel-remote00.jpg



So I grabbed it and yesterday it arrived. Took out my Marantz 4240, a multiformat player I use it with, and hooked it up. And it works like a charm!

Basically there are 3 ways of putting it in the system. Just like a graphic EQ, you can connect it between the source and the amp’s/receiver’s input, or to the tape loop (if you have that), or to pre out/main in (if you have that). My Marantz 4240 has tape loops and pre out/main jacks (Euro versions do, US versions don’t have pre/main), I tested both, both worked fine.

The way I set it up is connect the receiver’s TAPE OUT or PRE OUT to the controller’s inputs, and then the controller’s outputs to the receiver’s TAPE IN or MAIN IN. This controller has 6ch inputs and outputs, so I can control volume of all 4 channels of my quad Marantz. Then I set the volume level on the control station to 50 (which is 100% input level - no attenuation, no gain) and set the volume on my receiver a bit above my loudest listening level. And then decrease volume with the controller. This way, the controller gives mi the entire volume range I use. I have remote controlled volume, volume muting, and if I use tape loop I can even have source selector for whatever is set on the receiver and 2 other stereo sources that can be connected to two remaining inputs of the controller. For example: select FM on the receiver, connect a CDP and PC to the Teufel controller, and you can switch between FM, CDP and PC using the controller’s remote.

The thingy has no tone control (which is good) and very good frequency response (0.5 dB drop at 15 Hz and 25 kHz, linear between 15 Hz and 25 kHz), low THD (<0.03%), and channel imbalance is below 0.05 dB at all volume levels. Only signal to noise ratio is less than perfect (57 dB), but in real life negligible. I couldn’t hear any noise/hum with my ear to the speaker and the controller connected directly to MAIN IN. No startup/turn off noise either. If you use standby, it remembers the last volume setting, if you unplug it completely (which happens if you power it from switched AC output of the amp) it resets to volume level 30 (a bit more than half volume).

If you use tape loop to connect, you can take it out of the signal path simply by switching from TAPE back to SOURCE. And it has 3 inputs, so you don’t have one line input less, you actually gain one input.

This device is only available in Europe as far as I know, but I’m sure there are similar units available in the US. If not, it works with 12V DC, so you just need a power adapter.

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Very cool IMO. You found a Marantz CD/DVD/SACD player that matches cosmetically with a vintage receiver. Kudo's.:thmbsp:
 
Very cool IMO. You found a Marantz CD/DVD/SACD player that matches cosmetically with a vintage receiver. Kudo's.:thmbsp:

Thanks! I actually have another one that's a good match, SA 7001 (the model number was SA 8001 in the US). Actually the entire 2005 and 2006 lines of Marantz CD and DVD players were perfect for these receivers.

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quick question on this topic - does adding this remote negate the Pre amp of the marantz and replace it with the pre from the remote? Or are you still getting the benefit of the Marantz pre and power amps?

thanks!
 
The Marantz retains full functionality pre an power amp). The added box is a remote control attenuator, it only decreases volume from the level set with the Marantz volume pot. That's for the sources connected to the Marantz.

In the case of the Teufel volume controller box that I have, you can connect 2 additional sources directly to it. If you use these inputs, then the available Marantz functions depend on where you connect the volume controller. If you put it in the tape loop, all Marantz preamp functions (except for tape recording/monitoring of course) work for those sources too. If you connect the volume controller to pre out/main in jacks of the Marantz, then for the sources connected directly to the volume controller you only have power amp functionality of the Marantz.

Again, this is specific to the Teufel unit that I use. Most of the similar units that I've seen and that have been mentioned in this thread do not have additional inputs, so you would have to connect all sources to the Marantz inputs (and consequently retain have all preamp functions).
 
Or you could go Real Old School and buy a long handled light bulb changer. Use the rubber suction end, or mod your own. Most are 11 feet long.
 
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