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What is the musical end-point for brain and ears

mesut BALCI

mesut BALCI

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1) I have always seen problems of sound if I see the system playing over there in front of me. Whenever frontal depth of stage(or huge stage) included me inside it(I got this), this prevented me from critising the sound being unable to see it over there.

2) The true speed caused instruments play inside their natural time-period, and when I first heard this music, I said yes finally they craeted a concert in living room , but this was only speed issue, stronger effect than depth. Most of systems play in a congested manner regarding timing or this real time speed.(I still try to get this, experienced by my friend's bryston system, always an issue, doesnot become usual for ears or ears dont need more of it unlikely openness etc, it is the speed removing veils)

3) visible stage that involves eyes, very interesting, a kind of thing rather than only dissappeared speakers, got this too, without it experiment is missing, muddy beauty only.

of course with enough resolution but not necessarily.

anyone tring on these or other parameters that always makes brain satisfied with sound? I try to combine these three. as my last point, otherwise music is always missing, we dont critise sounds as dull harsh etc we hear in the nature, good or bad they are due to something(to me due to these three) they are always natural for brain.

any professional equipment especially working on speed-timing parameter and improving depth information?

mesut
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I guess you could ask an audiologist-hearing aid guy- some of this stuff. But I ain't got a clue. I would imagine it would be extremely personal-as everyone's hearing, perception, & taste in music & how it pleases them is different.
 
Much too serious for us mortals. Think this is something only a student of psycho-acoustics could possibly answer. And then only one who is also into audio gear. Me.....I'm just a listener who has too much fun with the gear.
 
Too bad Perfesser Irwin Corey ain't part of this forum. 'Splainin' that looks like somethin' that would be right up his alley....
 
mesut BALCI said:
1) ... this prevented me from critising the sound being unable to see it over there.

mesut
v-fet works
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This is like one of those Chinese quons. The sound of one hand clapping in the woods, while no one is there...

If you're not "over there" it doesn't matter what it sounds like.

As for everthing else. Try and relax and enjoy the music.
 
I think what he is asking(I am sure he doesn't speak english, looks like a bad translation - bad grammar) is at what point will the brain thinks the stereo is accurately reproducing audio signals correct enough to think you are in a concert hall.
The answer to this is there is no, it will not. It can only sound as if you are, you will always know you aren't if you are not.
All of our brains works very differently.
The parietal lobe is responsible for determining how sensory inputs such as audio is percieved. Yet this can be hindered by the hearing apperatus. The average ear drum cannot process audio signals below 15Hz or exceeding 20KHz(audible interpretation). But the way this is percieved is what I am referring to in sensory perception. Your brain can interpret these signals in such a sense the feeling might be of a concert hall, but your brain will never invision anything but what they optical perceptions are.
Or, maybe he was referring to acoustic timing or audio memory?
I dunno. Whatever....

Just sit in a chair and listen to your music..
People don't design excellent equipment so you can ramble about stuff, it is made for the music and your pleasure listening to it.
 
OK, you hear a pencil fall on the floor and hit linoleum, you know you hear it to your right. Is the reason you know it’s direction is because you heard the sound first in your right ear and then your left because that’s how your brain decoded it. Or, is it just because you know the kitchen has a linoleum floor and it is to your right.
I think that’s the question.

visible stage that involves eyes, very interesting, a kind of thing rather than only dissappeared speakers
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i.e. Have you ever noticed that your system sounds more realistic with the lights off. When they are on, all you see are speakers, hey spoil the illusion.

I’ve done some reading on turntable base’s after a post by SansuiLouie. It’s interesting to read a reviewers comments that a granite/rock base gives a turntable a hard sound, a wood base give it a warm natural sound. Really, or do we think it sounds the way it looks and feels. Do we impose or transpose values?

So, resubmitted, psychoacoustics, any ideas on making the illusion trick your brain into thinking it’s reality.?
 
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Think of a movie you are watching. You see the picture ahead, and you critise picture as blured, too colorful, shifts at colors etc. And think of an 3-D movie with eyeglasses polaroid or red-blue etc. We always listen to stereos having only a stage between speakers and depth behind speakers like a picture having such depth at the back. But depth which is also created in front of speakers are just like 3-D movie. Not only speakers but the room disappears, you start to hear acoustics of record rather than the system playing in the room showing it. When this depth is serious enogh, you feel you are completely in the stage as you are in concert hall feeling that ambiance. vfet amp gave this only serious valve amps also gave this, but depth of vfet amp is terrific.

The speed is something too hard to explain, because I too only experienced in only one system. Think of a movie, you cannot critisize behaviours of actors on the film because they are natural. But when you watch a cartoon or 3D modeled film Shreek etc, behaviours of animations are out of reality. When I listeend to speed of the system I mentioned, I understood that almost all the systems produce music in a kind of slow and congested, out of timing manner simply like a modeled film. When brain sees the natural timing and speed it accepts it natural and a huge veil thus removed. Alhogh music has some missing things result is simply real concert. Our systems play music really slow very slow. This is more noticable on slow Jazz, only a couple of hits in a period but overall noticably quick, relaxed, in natural presentation revoving veils not related to openness. Openness is this.

True visible stage is too hard to achieve by stereo
 
It's close enough for rock 'n' roll.


Copious quantities - yes. That'll open the sound stage right up.
 
True visible stage is too hard to achieve by stereo
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But, having the orchestra show up at my house is out of the question.

Instead of speed, would more useful words be ambiance or harmonics?

When you have that stereo image in front of your speakers there is a perceived point where a left and right signals meet. The mono sound image from a when stereo speakers are being used for home theatre that make the voices seem to be coming from the TV. In real life there are multiple reflections (insert Bose 901 wise crack here) that aren’t duplicated by the walls of your listening room.

The machines that recreate music are great fun but musical end point is your soul.
 
DougMac said:
So why does AK exist? ;-)

Doug
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Do we ramble? :scratch2:
I won't admit it if you won't. :yes:

About the thread topic.

If your audio is out of timing, good equipment has adjustments for this. Tapes, TTs, even come CDs.
 
mesut BALCI said:
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Well, 99% of the time, it's the engineer's fault. Get a really good direct-to-two-channel recording like those made by Mapleshade, or the Weavers live at Carnegie Hall, and get it right, and you can really get them to disappear (them == the speakers), even a mediocre system (I've heard this on the latter Weavers recording -- had to squat down to precisely a certain point, the "sweet spot", but it was worth it -- for a minute there, I was transported).

So, back to your original post: 3 what? What are they again? Triple-"huh?"
 
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