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Petra Cable for phono interconnects

hakaplan

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Just wanted to report on my experience today. I have a Sony PS-X70 turntable, quartz, direct drive, full auto, carbon fiber tonearm with litz wire, which already sounded very good, but had an intermittent hum problem, especially with different headshells. The original Sony interconnects still looked good and remarkably decent quality including gold-plated connectors, so I was skeptical as to whether I'd hear significant sound improvement.

Bought some of these cables in 12ft lengths with nice-looking gold-plated RCA connectors at each end. They come in a group of three so cut in half they would make ICs for 3 tables. These are low capacitance (17pF/foot) and could probably be used in up to maybe 6 feet lengths, but I was paranoid about losing sound quality so I kept the length to about 4 feet. I simply cut them at slightly over 4 feet, unsoldered the old cable from the pc board inside, soldered these in place using heat shrink tubing over the exposed sheilding wire, and soldered in a separate ground wire.

After hooking up everything and turning on the power I was at first amazed that I had done this right the first time. It never fails that I either forget something or solder something backwards, etc. Well, needless to say, the hum was gone. And then the sound quality was markedly improved. Smoother, more pronounced bass, fuller and clearer sound all around. As good as I thought this table was, I had always felt that I was a bit distant from the music, but now it feels closer or more up front.

Now I can see why these are so highly regarded at Vinyl Asylum. For an insanely cheap investment, the improvement is considerable and it's likely that throwing that much more cash at it would result in diminishing returns, at least at this component level. I would heartily recommend redoing any vintage turntable with these cables, especially if it's as easy a job as this was. I used the following place to purchase mine:

http://www.sjgreatdeals.com/pet10-5012.html

http://www.sjgreatdeals.com/pet10-5010.html

Howard
 
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Hi Howard,

Yes, the secret of these inexpensive interconnects by Petra (formerly Music Boys) is out.
I've used three of these set-ups after Cardas re-wires on tonearms. Mine, however have the non-gold-plated "digital" RCAs, which I'll probably replace at some point.
 
Hi everyone, I had a follow up question - I'm new here so I don't know if etiquette is to post a new thread or just reactivate this one, seemed like it fit here, so apologies if this is a faux pas-

I have a Sansui turntable that I'd like to put new interconnects onto. When I take the bottom off, I see the tonearm leads are soldered onto a wiring board, and then the audio connects from the phono plugs and ground are then soldered onto this wiring board. The ground right now is carried in the same jacket as the right and left channel.

2 Questions:
1) Is this the kind of application that I want the petra cables for?

2) How do I deal with the ground? I was thinking that maybe I could wire the ground to a wiring post that I could mount on the back of the turntable, and thus make is "future compatible", so I could always connect/reconnect different ground lengths as the situation required.

Also, what length do I want? I don't really understand the capacitance issue very well, other than lower is better?

As another issue, my amp has three different phono inputs, 25k, 50k, and 100k, if that matters. Right now I have a Grado Gold, thats rated for 47K, and I switch between the 25k and 50k depending on how whether I want more presence in the sound or more mids?

I've linked to a pic of the underside of my turntable if it helps?
http://www.northwestwaves.com/baja/TU1.JPG

Thanks all
 
Ian, it's actually good that you revived this thread. I was the original poster so it gave me the opportunity to modify the text to reflect corrections and references to one of Petra's grouping of cables that I have since discovered was inappropriate for use here. The link shown now is correct.

Yes, these Petras will work great for your situation.

Yes, you could either wire in a grounding post or just attach a separate ground wire directly to the board.

Regarding capacitance and your statement that "lower is better," that's all there is to it really. :D Too high capacitance results in high end roll off. I have since experimented with different cables and lengths, and with capacitance as low as these Petras are, you can easily use 6' if you like with no detriment to the sound.

For those resistance values 50k would be what you'd use for a 47k rated cart (almost all MM carts are), but yes you can vary them to change the sound.
 
Just as I seconded Howard, back then, I'm happy to do so again now. Petras continue as my first "go to" connects in my and other TTs that I help set up.
It may take a bit of heat to solder the Petras to that Sansui terminal block. So be sure to check that the tonearm wires haven't floated off their connections after you're done.
Good luck with this.
- Mario
 
Good to see this thread pop up again, reminded me that I am nearly out of these cables, outstanding TT cables, thanks for pointing these out Howard. :thmbsp:
 
Shielded cables

thx Howard - these will be my go-to cables also for my next project ...did you ever try any longer lengths ? I will probably need about 6 feet for my application.

Ron
 
Hmmmmmmmm

So it looks like if one buys a set of 12', one can do 3 tables with 6' leads???

That's quite a deal. you couldn't get the RCAs for that kind of money!
 
Actually, Mario, the metal caps on the connectors unscrew off the cable, so you can swap them around and end up with three pairs with different colors. One pair will end up as blue and green. All you have to decide is which will be right channel and which left. I use the fact that the colors point to the corresponding cartridge ground wires, so I use the green as right and blue as left.
 
Howard I tried that but promptly forgot what I decided on. If it's not red/blue or red/white for interconnects I'm fogbound.
 
great to see so many replies, and thanks for all the help, I can't wait to get it dialed in.
As a general rule, should I make the cables the bare miniumum length? Should I go for 6' just for fun or keep it just long enough to reach my amp?
 
great to see so many replies, and thanks for all the help, I can't wait to get it dialed in.
As a general rule, should I make the cables the bare miniumum length? Should I go for 6' just for fun or keep it just long enough to reach my amp?

With the low capacitance I think any length 6' or under is fine. I've experimented with up to 6' using a turntable with jacks and some ready made 6' cables as well as others I had cut down and attached my own connectors. I couldn't hear audible differences. I've kept my soldered-in sets at 5' as a compromise between flexibility and psychologically still thinking that shorter is better. The guy who originally introduced them to me kept his at five feet, too, so I think that's a comfortable place to be. If you prefer shorter and are sure you'll never need the extra length, go for it.
 
Ok along the lines of this post when determining capacitance
Has anyone measured it from output of the phono jacks on their preamp or receiver including arm and cables,

So it would be preamp out put +turntable output + cable
If the Petras capacitance (17pF/foot) then a 4 foot cable would be 61 and if ones preamp such as my Adcom 565 is 50 pF and I'll assume my Technics 1500 is say 50pF as well that would put me at 161 which is what AT recommends. But bad for the older Shures Ortofons ADC's and Empires as they according to there spec sheets work best with anything from 275 to 400.
Just thought I'd throw this out there for discussion.
Thanks
 
Right, John, except most non-selectable preamps, amps and receivers have too much capacitance to begin with, which is how the need for low capacitance cables was born. 50pF is very low for a preamp. Most non-selectable ones I know of are around 200.
 
wow, didn't know there was so much to know! My integrated amp is a pioneer sa-9100, which had(has) I think a pretty good reputation for its phono pre-stage, but as you say is not selectable for capacitance, only resistance.
 
Wanted to post a follow up - soldered the petra's intoplace last night. Well they look a lot nicer! The cables are a little stiff, so were a little rough to make fit the right turns, so I just screwed them into the cabinet with some of those cable holders. The middle high range seems to have a little better response, though that's a subective evaluation. I don't have any need for the other 6' from where I cut the 12' cable in half, so if someone wants to paypal me, I'd be happy to send them to to you for the cost of shipping and whatever they're worth to you, up to and including free. Thanks for the advice.
 
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