2SK97 substitute solution ?

divu

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Reading in the Audiokarma forums, about how difficult it is to find a substitute for the famous JFET 2SK97, searching the internet I have found the following information:

2SK97 substitute 2 x 2SK43.jpg
Accordingly, a pair of 2SK43 transistors can be used.
According to Philips 2003 cross reference list, these 2SK43 can be replaced with J113.

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The J113 OnSemi are very cheap and found on both digikey and mouser. I am not an electronics expert. Can someone with more knowledge confirm if this solution can be good?
 
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Can someone with more knowledge confirm if this solution can be good?
Not sure if I have truly 'got more knowledge' - but that looks like a double substitution to me.... always risky.

In other words you are suggesting 2SK97 = 2SK43 = J113 :idea: maybe not? - and you'll still need to match them to be sure.

Much better is the LSK389B from Linear Systems - everything is done for you. 2 matched ultra low noise JFET's in a package (I recommend the TO-71 option).
 
I was referring to an easy and cheap solution. LSK389B is quite difficult to find, outside of linearsystems ... the price is approx 7 eur / unit. The J113 OnSemi costs only 0.37 euro / unit and is found in both digikey and mouser (easy to get).
 
Yes there is a reason for that - the J113 is designed as a 'switch' device and is not necessarily good for audio - and is also a single JFET.

Whereas the LSK389B is designed for audio, is a high performance device, containing 2 JFETs already matched and thermally coupled.
 
"Yes, a switching device which happens to be a JFET - 2SK43 is also a JFET but meant for audio - there is a big difference here."
Conclusion:
2SK43 can be a cheap substitute (not J113). Thanks for clarification.
 
Why not say where they are being used, that might help. Why do you think you have a dead part, how did you figure that out? They are easy enough to test to determine if they are faulty or not.
Do we have any specs on this 2sk97? I can not find anything on it, yet it is a dual n-ch jfet, what else is known about it, mfg by or for Sony.
Other cheap possibility are a current production toshiba, available at Mouser
1) 2sk209, which I am lead to believe is similar to the old 2sk30 & 2sk117
2) 2sk2145 in two Idss grades
3) 2sk3322
Onsemi sells dual too, both stocked
1) NSVJ6904DSB6T1G
2) NSVJ5908DSG5T1G
be creative, smt is not that scary, once you get used to using it, it is the way of the future, 30+ years ago now and still people are scared of it = electronic dinosaurs :D
 
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This component its a dual FET and is found in many Sansui models. At the moment, personally, I don't need it, but I have tried to find information on Japanese pages, to help people.
At the moment, the only good replacement is LSK389B.
 
Data for the 2SK97 so far is that provided by this thread. Also, in this site you may find a compilation of data for lots of transistors, including the old jfets. The 2SK185 is very likely two 2SK43 in a metal can (but not the 2sk43S) . Note the similarity in their parameters and dimensions. Also, note that both are made by Sony. (the 2sk121 is similar single jfet, but unobtanium) You may find 2sk185 rank 2 in Japan still today and i believe they are an excellent option if you can get them. This is a matched pair which is better than trying to match by hand (need to buy about 10-20 single J113 to build two matched pairs for left and right channel, and this will end up costing you the same as one pair LSK389).
If you look at the 2SK97 parts that people show in the pictures in this forum, most of them are rank 2 and fewer are rank 3. This rank obtained by the Idss parameter. However, the gain of the jfet is determined by the value of gm which in turn correlates with Idss. There is thread in this forum where Echowars "profusely stated" that gm is very important to prevent saturation of the response of the input differential pair.
Finally, what I learned about jfets in the book by Horowitz and Hill is that some switching devices did have accidental low noise performance, I recall the J107 being one example mentioned in that book, but also here. Some RF jfets like the BF862 (discontinued) and may be the CPH3910 (you may want to read articles and the book by Phil Hobbs) turned out to be surprisingly good too But for that matter the 2sk209 may be a better option. In some instances the sources of the two jfets are conected together, and in this case you may resort to the Toshiba dual 2sk2145 or the ON parts mentioned above. If you look at the datasheet, the option of a pair of 2sk209 is ok from the point of view of their paramenters and noise characteristics, but thermal tracking is hard as it is difficult to glue togehter a pair of 2sk209.
 
I was going to recommend Linear Integrated Systems parts, but I've been beat to it. They're definitely the best replacements for those difficult to find Toshiba parts.
 
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