$9000 Pioneer Speakers

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They look like they are going to tip over backwards. :scratch2:

Maybe you get a real laid back sound from them? :yes:
 
I haven't heard them, but is it possible to get good sound out of such tiny drivers? Do you think they could possibly stack up against, say, a pair of HPM-100s? I would guess not.
 
HPM-100s are not even remotely comparable. These are damn fine sounding speakers that are very competitive with speakers in their class/price range. They go lower than an HPM-100, higher than an HPM-100 and have an extremely balanced presentation. Frankly, I don't think i'd consider keeping my NS-1000X speakers if a pair of these showed up at my doorstep. But at the same time, there aren't many speakers over 5k I'd buy even with Gates' like money. At least, if ultimate sonic performance was my goal. If sculpture like looks were a priority, some of the Avant Garde speakers would be tolerable as a "Those look great" type system.
 
Bogframe said:
I haven't heard them, but is it possible to get good sound out of such tiny drivers? Do you think they could possibly stack up against, say, a pair of HPM-100s? I would guess not.
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You're kidding right?
 
Haven't heard either of these speakers mentioned, but have read that HPM-100 gets raves. It's got to be a great speaker.

I've had the good fortune to get a rel storm III sub, at the SA no less. Been experimenting with this superb sub and some other SA stuff and I can tell you that some vintage Barzilay cabs with Electrovoice drivers with the sub sounds like a million,maybe two. I'd like to hear HPM-100 with this sub. And maybe a super tweeter.
 
The HPM-100 gets everything from rave reviews to reviews riddled with hatred. It's one of the most polarizing designs around and not a speakers that will ever be compared with the best. It can sound very good in the price range it currently sells in (250-400.00)
 
Again, totally different animals. The double advents might have a little more output going for them, other than that, I can't imagine an advantage. The pioneers are truly high end speakers built as their no-compromise flagship model. I'm not going to say that Pioneers would be universally liked over the advents. They are the type of speakers that are called "too analytical" which I take as too revealing or accurate and consider it a compliment. But the people who use it as an adjective mean it to be a problem. The Advents are very listenable speakers with a laid back sound that just about anyone could listen too long term.
 
Thats how it sounds now and thats how it sounded then in a Heathkit store on 8 mile road. I liked these better than Ohm Walsh, A,B. Does anybody do these kinds of comparisons? Haven't tried the rel with the Advents yet.
 
Toasted Almond said:
I may be wrong, I think the Pioneers may be a recent offering, explaining why folks are unfamiliar with them.

I like my Carvers.
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You are absolutely correct, they are relatively new designs. Pioneer has been making high level speakers for quite a while after a short absence in the market. Their TAD division is the driving force behind the higher end products.

You should like your Carvers, their name aptly describes the sound. Some of the best speakers I have heard were essentially copies. Dipole speakers featuring BG 75" ribbons and 4 15" Lambda Acoustics woofers per side. Sort of a Carver Amazing that was improved enough should have been named Carver Holy **** I Just Broke My Jaw From Hitting Floor/
 
wineslob said:
Well, in that price range they've got some damn stiff competition.

Quad ESL's anyone?
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Agreed.:thmbsp: Apparently Pioneer has developed true high-end aspirations. They face competition from the likes of B&W, Thiel, Von Schweikert, etc. The question is how will these new Pioneers stack up ? No matter how much folks love their HPMs, pioneer has never been recognized as a high-end speaker manufacturer and could end up being what Infiniti is to the luxury auto world -- always the bridesmaid, never the bride (no disrespect to any Infiniti owners, they seem to be fine cars).
 
Web Police said:
They look like they are going to tip over backwards. :scratch2:

Maybe you get a real laid back sound from them? :yes:
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That's funny. :lmao: There are quite a few high-end speaker manufacturers with similar tilted-back designs (Thiel, Avalon, Usher, Hales are a few that readily come to mind) supposedly for proper time-alignment of the sound from the drivers.
 
Glen B said:
Agreed.:thmbsp: Apparently Pioneer has developed high-end aspirations. They face competition from the likes of B&W, Thiel, Von Schweikert, etc. No matter how much folks love their HPMs, pioneer has never been recognized as a high-end speaker manufacturer. The question is how will these new Pioneers stack up ?
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TAD is part of pioneer and is the class of the compression driver world, not to mention being suppliers of some of the highest end conventional drivers in the world. Thiel drivers (or accuton as it were) are inexpensive in comparison.
 
dnewma04 said:
TAD is part of pioneer and is the class of the compression driver world, not to mention being suppliers of some of the highest end conventional drivers in the world. Thiel drivers (or accuton as it were) are inexpensive in comparison.
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Okay. My point was that the target market of $9,000 speakers don't look to Pioneer, no matter how good the speakers may be. They're going to look at other traditionally high-end manufacturers. Likewise, when those with moolah want a status symbol, they consider BMW and Mercedes, not Infiniti.
 
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