Advice needed on a new cartridge

Dansk

cantus audio
Alright, I'll preface this by making it clear I'm a relative newcomer to the world of vinyl, and have very limited experience with different types of cartridges. To date I've only heard my current Shure M92, my old Audio Technica AT-71, a cheap Ortofon, and my (incredibly lucky) younger brother's Supex SD-900 Super. (He inherited it from my grandfather along with a Technics SL-1700 mkII... trust me, they're a beautiful combination.) Being a student I obviously can't afford a Supex, since the going rate for them seems to be around $600 or so, if you can find them anymore. I'm looking for a significant improvement over my M92, however. My question is what should I buy?

From the research I've done (a not-inconsiderable amount) I think the M97xe would be the best match for my system. It's priced right, since I'm aiming preferably under $100 or in the very low hundreds at the most, and my curiosity is piqued by reviewers who mention its ease with higher frequencies. The poor response and heavy distortion of high frequencies is my biggest complaint with the M92. It seems to be getting worse as of late, leading me to think it's wearing out and needs replacing. However, I do like the overall sound of the M92, it's very full and reasonably neutral with good bass response, and the M97 has been described similarly. (The Ortofon I've heard sounded thin, which is a word I often find used to describe it and the Duals they're usually associated with.)

I should also tell you that I'm planning on using this cartridge with a Technics SL-Q2, with one of those heavy tonearms. In my internet meanderings I've read that moving coil carts are designed for these tonearms. Is there such a thing as a decent moving coil cart in my price range, or am I dreaming? (Don't worry, I know they're lower output; my Pioneer A8 is MC capable.)

And finally, I'm open to suggestions. I realize that choosing a cartridge is a very subjective process, but after my M92 I think almost ANYTHING will sound better.
 
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For the price and performaance , you can't go wrong with the shure 97. Recently bought a second 97 as a reserve. cheapest i found was on e-bay.
 
Dansk,

An alternative to the Shure M97xE is a Denon high output MC, a DL-110 or DL-160. Read the reviews at Audiogon Denon DL-110, Denon DL-160 and Shure M97xE. I own the M97xE and the DL-160, and I prefer the Denon on my Technics, although the differences are not dramatic (but I don't have golden ears either...).


- Harald
 
Dansk said:
The Ortofon I've heard sounded thin, which is a word I often find used to describe it and the Duals they're usually associated with.
"It"? Just one? Ten bucks says it wasn't aligned properly. :no:
Tom
 
OvenMaster said:
"It"? Just one? Ten bucks says it wasn't aligned properly. :no:
Tom
Likely not, since it was mounted on my brother's Dual CS-515 and I don't know whether he knows how to align one. I don't recall the model, (OM3, possibly?) but I know it was the one that came standard with the 515 when it was new.

The Denon suggestions are interesting, I've never considered a Denon before... hmm...
 
Its direct drive isnt it? And grado's have a tendancy to hum, due to there unshieldedness. Or am I wrong. Wich could very well be, it seems to happen more than I would like:)
 
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Hum with Grados usually happens when the TT motor is an unshielded AC type. DD TT's usually are DC-driven and -controlled, IIRC, and probably wouldn't cause a hum problem.
Tom
 
The M97xe is a nice cartridge. I have it and an AT440ML and have switched out occasionally, listening to both. I have a slight preference for the AT as I think it does not pick up as much noise from the records. But the Shure can play some of the warped LPs that come from the thrifts if the stabilizer brush is used. Some say the AT is somewhat bright but I can't say I've noticed - as with anything, it may depend on your tastes and system.

I don't think you would go wrong with either of these cartridges, although the AT440 that is on the market now has had changes since I bought it.

Alan
 
Heh.... oh boy do I feel stupid.

It turns out my M92 wasn't worn out. I was never very happy with its treatment of high frequencies and sibilants, but less so lately, so I assumed it must be wearing out. Then I took a closer look and got out my protractor, just out of curiosity. The cartridge was still dead on centered, just like I set it up when I got it, but then I was struck by a thought. Maybe the stylus isn't sitting in the cartridge very straight. Yup. There was my problem, as ugly as a black eye, and twice as obvious now that I'd noticed it. So I realigned my cartridge to make the STYLUS sit straight in the groove (my guess is that it was out by as much as 5 degrees) and ignored the cartridge, and lo and behold, it sounds a few hundred times better than it ever has. Much crisper highs and a tighter low end, more space and breathing room. Boy do I feel like an idiot! :P

But improvements in my M92 notwithstanding, I still want a better cartridge. Thanks very much for all the advice and replies here, I'm taking it all into consideration!
 
A small update, my realignment has produced some unexpected (for me) side-effects. While the quality of the sound is a unmitigated improvement, I've noticed a sizeable increase in groove noise and rumble. This is still on my old Marantz TT2200, which according to what little information I can find about it is very poor as far as rumble is concerned. (Three strikes against it: plastic base, poor (if any) suspension and isolation, and a cheaply built direct drive.) I'm waiting for my SL-Q2 to arrive in the mail at the moment, which should hopefully resolve my rumble dilemma.

I thought these developments were worth sharing. Now that I've irrevocably exposed my vinyl naivete, I'm going to go back to enjoying my modest little system. I've got a half dozen more garage sale treasures that are begging to be listened to!
 
OvenMaster said:
"It"? Just one? Ten bucks says it wasn't aligned properly. :no:
Tom
Agreed. They are particularly touchy about VTA on my setup. Once correct, any thinness issues dissappeared for me, anyway.

Russellc
 
How is the quality of the N92E stylus? I have a cartridge (Ratshack/Shure RXT6) that is a relabeled M111HE. I now have probably the last two N111E's (has the stabilizer brush) in the world, it seems. I have found out the N92E will plug in and work with this cartridge. Should I go on and pick up a few, or keep looking for more N111E's?
 
Russellc said:
Agreed. They are particularly touchy about VTA on my setup. Once correct, any thinness issues dissappeared for me, anyway.
Exactly. I used an OM 20 on my lowly Dual for almost 20 years, and had only used the Dual-supplied plastic jig. Last summer, I replaced it with an OM 10 Super, aligned it with a printed gauge from Vinylengine's site, and was shocked to find out that it blew the sound of the 20 away. (Imagine how that 20 would have sounded all those years if it were properly aligned! :tears: )

If a cart rides too far forward, the treble will be accented. Too far rearward, treble will suffer and the sound will sound muddy, dirty. Get it right in the zone and it will sound just perfect. The OM 10 Super rode with the rear end too low; shims in the front corrected it and makes it ride level now. No thin-ness here!

Tom
 
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