Am I Being a Snob?

MrZero63

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We had some friends over the other night to share music, sing (karaoke), talk, and relax together. It was a night of top-shelf alcohol (whisky, whiskey, home-brew beer, and wine tasting – a friend is a home brewer) and fun times. We broke in some new karaoke equipment I got for my wife for Christmas (and I must confess I enjoy it a lot as well) - a feedback destroyer and a Boss vocal processor as well as two new karaoke starter sets which included a lot of classic rock, 70s, and 80s tunes. Over 60 new CDGs/discs. I have an AKG Perception 200 condenser mic and mic stand that everyone loves to use with our component karaoke setup (and also a nice Shure mic), but I couldn’t find my cheap old tubed mic preamp to power the AKG so there it stood, unloved, until the Boss came (with phantom power). I must confess the feedback scared my wife a lot because she likes surround sound karaoke. I don’t. The monitors are too close to her but that's what she likes. Two-channel is perfect for me. But back on point…

One guy who came over just loves my two-channel setup and has only been to the house twice since my wife just met his wife at her work a short time ago. He’s a real nice guy and all – genuinely interested in the system, but for all the wrong reasons. It is driving me nuts! He liked my ‘big speakers’ so much he googled them and found out how much the Khorns cost new and was stunned. I didn't tell him how old they were since I don't like talking prices. My wife only said that I recently got them. He also googled the tube amps and mistook my MC225 for a MC275 (needs glasses maybe?). He now wants the Gordon Gow 275 in gold. He also loves the ‘table (the Scout in my signature) so much that will be the first thing he gets. Or so he thinks.

He wanted to listen to some records so I took him to my thinned-out herd of records (about 8 milk crates) and all he talked about was how his father had so many more. I commented how great it was and that he must be excited to share the experience with his father but it was just the record count that seemed to matter. I then offered to play some CDs I knew sounded really good (to me anyway) on my system since my records were in no particular order and he had a hard time finding anything he really liked (after one minute of cursory searching).

Did I mention we are different generations – he’s in his late 20s, me in my late 40s? He responded that he only wanted to listen to records since that was what he listened to while growing up. Mmmm, okay. I then picked out a Billy Joel record (The Stranger) and brought it to the table where we were sitting and talking. He took the album out, looked it over, and then got up to put it on the turntable. I quickly cut him off and said, “I know you weren’t thinking of putting that record on. No one touches the turntable but me.” He said that he was thinking of putting it on but quickly handed the record to me and my expression went from kill-mode to knowing grin. I put the record on and it was the true 75-cent thrift-store find I remembered it was – about a 5 or 6 with lots or surface noise (even after I ran it through the RCM three times). He loved it. I cringed and wondered how it found its way back into my collection.

I then played some CDs to showcase the system. By this time, he was taking pictures of the system and the too-big-for-the-space speakers. I was angry and delighted at the same time. Angry that he liked the experience more than the sound and delighted that he liked the experience. The system is, after all, a great conversation piece! But I REALLY want to share the music! I continued to start/warm-up the CD player and noted that it was a tubed-output player. I played a jazz staple that shines on my system – ‘Forever Blue’ from Swing Out Sister. I then told him that I didn’t care if he liked it because I wanted him to listen to instrument placement/soundstage, clarity, vocals, instrument realism. My wife looked at me in slight anger but quickly understood my method. Afterwards I played some classic rock but his wife pestered him to go. Too bad. It was rather late (or very early – almost 4 AM) and he really had to go.

But he never got a chance to really listen to the system. And he never will again because he is going on a business trip for 6 weeks and I’m moving in in 6 weeks – I doubt our paths will cross again. But I don’t really feel that bad since I believe he wanted the system only to have the system. I don’t believe he really wanted to listen to music for the sake of music. He just wanted to play music on the system. I even let him hook up his iPhone and he played a Rhapsody stream of some Genesis. It sounded awful. Simply awful. Low-fi in a really bad sense. My wife agreed. He still wanted the system and wants to know where I got everything. I told him that is part of the hobby – searching and researching. And he liked the sound of the iPhone as well. Using that tiny speaker it has. Ugh!

I have never been a trendsetter because I generally eschew things that are trendy. I don’t do things to outdo the neighbors. And I generally keep my audio hobby to myself until I sense someone really has an interest in the hobby. I don’t like to bore people and I don’t ever want it to seem like I am bragging because my system is minimalist compared to a lot of other AKers, and because it really is a humble system that I enjoy listening to. This hobby is not for everyone. I understand that. I also accept that everyone is different and if something works for them, it is okay – it may not be for me. But I also believe I understand when someone wants it for all the wrong reasons. Help me understand - am I being a snob?
 
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We had some friends over the other night to share music, sing (karaoke), talk, and relax together. It was a night of top-shelf alcohol (whisky, whiskey, home-brew beer, and wine tasting – a friend is a home brewer) and fun times. We broke in some new karaoke equipment I got for my wife for Christmas (and I must confess I enjoy it a lot as well) - a feedback destroyer and a Boss vocal processor as well as two new karaoke starter sets which included a lot of classic rock, 70s, and 80s tunes. Over 60 new CDGs/discs. I have an AKG Perception 200 condenser mic and mic stand that everyone loves to use with our component karaoke setup (and also a nice Shure mic), but I couldn’t find my cheap old tubed mic preamp to power the AKG so there it stood, unloved, until the Boss came (with phantom power). I must confess the feedback scared my wife a lot because she likes surround sound karaoke. I don’t. The monitors are too close to her but that's what she likes. Two-channel is perfect for me. But back on point…

One guy who came over just loves my two-channel setup and has only been to the house twice since my wife just met his wife at her work a short time ago. He’s a real nice guy and all – genuinely interested in the system, but for all the wrong reasons. It is driving me nuts! He liked my ‘big speakers’ so much he googled them and found out how much the Khorns cost new and was stunned. I didn't tell him how old they were since I don't like talking prices. My wife only said that I recently got them. He also googled the tube amps and mistook my MC225 for a MC275 (needs glasses maybe?). He now wants the Gordon Gow 275 in gold. He also loves the ‘table (the Scout in my signature) so much that will be the first thing he gets. Or so he thinks.

He wanted to listen to some records so I took him to my thinned-out herd of records (about 8 milk crates) and all he talked about was how his father had so many more. I commented how great it was and that he must be excited to share the experience with his father but it was just the record count that seemed to matter. I then offered to play some CDs I knew sounded really good (to me anyway) on my system since my records were in no particular order and he had a hard time finding anything he really liked (after one minute of cursory searching).

Did I mention we are different generations – he’s in his late 20s, me in my late 40s? He responded that he only wanted to listen to records since that was what he listened to while growing up. Mmmm, okay. I then picked out a Billy Joel record (The Stranger) and brought it to the table where we were sitting and talking. He took the album out, looked it over, and then got up to put it on the turntable. I quickly cut him off and said, “I know you weren’t thinking of putting that record on. No one touches the turntable but me.” He said that he was thinking of putting it on but quickly handed the record to me and my expression went from kill-mode to knowing grin. I put the record on and it was the true 75-cent thrift-store find I remembered it was – about a 5 or 6 with lots or surface noise (even after I ran it through the RCM three times). He loved it. I cringed and wondered how it found its way back into my collection.

I then played some CDs to showcase the system. By this time, he was taking pictures of the system and the too-big-for-the-space speakers. I was angry and delighted at the same time. Angry that he liked the experience more than the sound and delighted that he liked the experience. The system is, after all, a great conversation piece! But I REALLY want to share the music! I continued to start/warm-up the CD player and noted that it was a tubed-output player. I played a jazz staple that shines on my system – ‘Forever Blue’ from Swing Out Sister. I then told him that I didn’t care if he liked it because I wanted him to listen to instrument placement/soundstage, clarity, vocals, instrument realism. My wife looked at me in slight anger but quickly understood my method. Afterwards I played some classic rock but his wife pestered him to go. Too bad. It was rather late (or very early – almost 4 AM) and he really had to go.

But he never got a chance to really listen to the system. And he never will again because he is going on a business trip for 6 weeks and I’m moving in in 6 weeks – I doubt our paths will cross again. But I don’t really feel that bad since I believe he wanted the system only to have the system. I don’t believe he really wanted to listen to music for the sake of music. He just wanted to play music on the system. I even let him hook up his iPhone and he played a Rhapsody stream of some Genesis. It sounded awful. Simply awful. Low-fi in a really bad sense. My wife agreed. He still wanted the system and wants to know where I got everything. I told him that is part of the hobby – searching and researching. And he liked the sound of the iPhone as well. Using that tiny speaker it has. Ugh!

I have never been a trendsetter because I generally eschew things that are trendy. I don’t do things to outdo the neighbors. And I generally keep my audio hobby to myself until I sense someone really has an interest in the hobby. I don’t like to bore people and I don’t ever want it to seem like I am bragging because my system is minimalist compared to a lot of other AKers, and because it really is a humble system that I enjoy listening to. This hobby is not for everyone. I understand that. I also accept that everyone is different and if something works for them, it is okay – it may not be for me. But I also believe I understand when someone wants it for all the wrong reasons. Help me understand - am I being a snob?


Come again?
 
Well, if it is any consolation, my former wife would listen to and evidently "enjoy" music over 3" comp speakers, had no use for my system. I have my own more detailed opinions, but if folks enjoy having a "warehouse" of music in something the size of a pack of cigs, and enjoy listening to music over that, and think its "cool"..its all on them I guess. For your part, you exposed Him to a truely fine sounding system:thmbsp:
 
Yeah, honestly I found the post too long to get the gist of it.

I really don't understand the long winded question.
 
(...) But I also believe I understand when someone wants it for all the wrong reasons. Help me understand - am I being a snob?
I don't understand the question. How is it that you suspect yourself of being a snob?

BTW, I usually don't like to bring attention to my system when we have visitors either--I don't expect people to "get" it. But when they ask, I'll engage.
 
Am I being a snob for not wanting to share any more information on the system or to even want to talk about it with him any more?
 
I don't think your a snob, but maybe you were a little bit of a prick to the guy......?

What I get out of your post is a younger dude came to a party at your house; was amazed by your stereo; wanted to hear some records (not CD's!), you grudgingly obliged and were disgusted with the ONE lp ya played for him.... AFTER you about bit off his head for touching your TT?

I wasn't there and I don't know him OR you but I think you bulldozed a chance to get someone interested in the hobby.

I too cringe at "lo-fi" but guess what? We are the Minority. My wife loves music. Even after having been with me and my slowly escalating stereo madness she does not give a Hoot if she's hearing a song she likes on her cellphone or my stereo.

Cuz she likes the song. End of Story.

And by the way my oldest son is 19, I'm 38 and he grew up listening to Billy Joel on Vinyl.

;)


Peace


Matt
 
I think that I do. It sounds like you were trying to get him to like your system for what you get out of it yourself. Good sound and imaging from what I can tell.

It sounds like he would probably like any system as long is it is playing music that he is interested in. He probably would have been bored to tears if you played that track anyway if he didn't have any interest in it.

Everyone has their own ideas and interests. It sounds like you were being a little forward to try to get him to like the same wants and needs as yourself. Not that that is wrong. But you asked for peoples opinion.
 
I've found that people like audio for different reasons. Someone with little-to-no experience of good gear and systems may be struck by very different things than a more experienced audiophile.

A teenager I know bought a pair of Beats by Dr Dre headphones, even AFTER I let him hear some better headphones...because it was what brought him status among his friends. That was more important --to him, in the end-- than sound quality. It probably reflects the difference in our ages.

I have another friend who has some very high-end gear (rare big JBLs and such) whose system always sounds mediocre to me... almost good, but not quite. The first time I heard it, I helped him figure out that the speakers were wired out of phase. He still has some problems (room nodes, at least, and...?) but seems focused on cables and things that just aren't addressing the drawbacks. He loves the system, however, and remains an ardent fan of listening to music on it.

Going a step further, my wife loves music, and can hear the differences between levels of gear...yet she'll happily sit and listen to tunes through her iPad or laptop, unfazed by the poor fidelity.

I knew a lady who thought Bose and iPod were the iconic definition of "hi-fi" and the best that money could buy. Obviously, all she knew of audio was what she read in non-audio magazines and such.

There are all kinds of people in the world, with all different backgrounds and experience levels of audio. So maybe one guy is initially attracted by "the gear." That's okay; if he gets great gear, maybe he'll then become interested in the sound. Or maybe not. The world has room for gear-heads, just as it has room for "golden ears" and teenagers seeking peer acceptance through Monster Beats.

I don't think you're a snob. You just have different interests. Since you are passionate about these interests, you'd like others to share them. That's understandable. But don't expect everyone to think like you do, esp. if they are a couple of decades younger. Accept that they may not; it's believing and insisting that you're right and they're wrong that might turn you into a snob. You ARE right...for you, not necessarily for them. We aren't talking about absolute standards here for scientific purposes. We are talking about a hobby, something we do for enjoyment, and each person can decide for him/herself what he/she finds enjoyable.

Perhaps you planted a seed that will eventually make that person a true audiophile with golden ears... you may never know, but don't despair that he was only interested in the gear. Heck, at least that's a place to start. At least he was INTERESTED!
 
I think as Arkay summed up, thru reading, or exposure, we all come to a point where simply "We like, what we like". When one person can be at "peace" with that, and realise that others don't care for it, or perhaps only a small minority do, it's all "OK" and we don't give it a second thought. Most here, probably would not like the car that I like to drive, and thats ok, I do, just as an example.
 
I don't think your a snob, but maybe you were a little bit of a prick to the guy......?

What I get out of your post is a younger dude came to a party at your house; was amazed by your stereo; wanted to hear some records (not CD's!), you grudgingly obliged and were disgusted with the ONE lp ya played for him.... AFTER you about bit off his head for touching your TT?

I wasn't there and I don't know him OR you but I think you bulldozed a chance to get someone interested in the hobby.

I too cringe at "lo-fi" but guess what? We are the Minority. My wife loves music. Even after having been with me and my slowly escalating stereo madness she does not give a Hoot if she's hearing a song she likes on her cellphone or my stereo.

Cuz she likes the song. End of Story.

And by the way my oldest son is 19, I'm 38 and he grew up listening to Billy Joel on Vinyl.

;)


Peace


Matt

I think that I do. It sounds like you were trying to get him to like your system for what you get out of it yourself. Good sound and imaging from what I can tell.

It sounds like he would probably like any system as long is it is playing music that he is interested in. He probably would have been bored to tears if you played that track anyway if he didn't have any interest in it.

Everyone has their own ideas and interests. It sounds like you were being a little forward to try to get him to like the same wants and needs as yourself. Not that that is wrong. But you asked for peoples opinion.

It's been a while since I've visited AK - thanks for the feedback. I guess I was a little forward, but the guy is still really excited about the hobby (both feet in). Guess I'll cut him some slack and give him a few pointers in acquiring safe, affordable, high-quality equipment here and there and start him out on his own search for audio nirvana. :thmbsp:
 
It's been a while since I've visited AK - thanks for the feedback. I guess I was a little forward, but the guy is still really excited about the hobby (both feet in). Guess I'll cut him some slack and give him a few pointers in acquiring safe, affordable, high-quality equipment here and there and start him out on his own search for audio nirvana. :thmbsp:

Meh, between now and then, just leave a dead fish on His door step, and the next time He comes over, slap him around a bit as soon as he walks in:thmbsp::D
 
It's been a while since I've visited AK - thanks for the feedback. I guess I was a little forward, but the guy is still really excited about the hobby (both feet in). Guess I'll cut him some slack and give him a few pointers in acquiring safe, affordable, high-quality equipment here and there and start him out on his own search for audio nirvana. :thmbsp:

There you go. :thmbsp:

I've dealt with some younger people that were interested in some form or another of my audio setups, whether in a car or the home, but mostly in a car.

They rarely if ever like it for the exact reasons I do. It can be mildly frustrating when they don't "get it", but that's just the way it is. I've tried to explain exactly what it's high points are, and then they'd focus on my amps, or the bass, or some aspect of it, but not what it was as a whole.

What can you do? :scratch2:
 
This might be OT, but what pleases me is when people like my record collection, moreso than my audio system.

Aha! That also took me by surprise. He wanted to listen to records but wouldn't take the time to search for them in the crates. It also pleases me when someone likes records in my collection because then I may be able to play something they already enjoy. :banana:
 
Like you said, maybe you were a little forward, but so was he! Taking pics of your stuff and looking it up the internet? I get it, but it seems like he was a bit too familiar. Your system piqued his interest, perhaps for reasons many would find pedestrian, but it obviously made him giddy. You probably blew his mind, so he acted like a kid. That said, I don't think it have even occurred to me to handle one's software or hardware without explicit invitation. You may never see him again, but you could be his Facebook audio guru, if you have inclination. ;)
 
Facebook Audio Guru in Textese would be...... well....


FAG


;)


So sorry could not resist the setup.

Carry on.


And to the OP: hey, I'm an asshole. Just ask all the friends I don't have.

:)


Matt
 
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