ANDREW JONES (MoFi) Sourcepoint 10

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SixCats!

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Hi all,

Firstly, might any AK'er own and/or have listened to the new MoFi Sourcepoint 10 Speakers and, if so, I'd love to hear your impressions of the new Andrew Jones creation.

That being said, I am thrilled that Speaker designers/manufactures appear to be heading back the "Retro" direction, that is to say, I've long time been a fan of vintage Coaxial/Concentric Drivers. Pray tell, are there may other new Speakers on the market that use this concept ? I will be in the market for a pair of very "sensitive" Speakers for use with a "Single Ended Triode" Amp which is why the new AJ Sourcepoint 10 has caught my Eye, however, there is NO way I'm going to pay the likes of 4K for a pair of Speakers, at least not these Speakers (as good as they might be).

What might other considerations be for this "type" design/sensitive (i.e. Tube friendly) Speakers ?
Zu Audio ?

Funny, with the introduction of this (albeit) new/modern design "Concentric driver" Speaker system, me thinks I may have been on the right track the entire time that I've been enjoying my old Jensen 15" type "H" Concentric driver and my 12" University 6201 Coaxial drivers (mostly used in my Mono Speaker systems). Thoughts ?

SixCats!
 
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Tannoy has been using coaxial/concentric drivers in their speakers since 1947. Their latest speakers are available at various price points. KEF introduced their UniQ coaxial/concentric drivers in 1988 and they also have current versions at various price points. Fyne Audio is a more recent manufacturer using coaxial/concentric drivers in their speakers which are also available at various price points. These speaker manufacturers all have models available for much less than the Andrew Jones SourcePoint 10.
 
I would also like to hear comments on this speaker. Andrew Jones is a respected designer.

Also, as Lou G has stated, the solid physics of the design means others have offerings, some never wavering. I had a cheap pair of those Best Buy Insignias that used coaxial design. It sounded far better with the Murphy mod than it really had a right to.

Should be fun, and definitely a good thing when speaker designers adopt these classic ideas into new offerings.
 
I am an AJ fan. I still have the Pioneer bookshelf speakers he designed back in '08 or whenever that was. I use them in my office. They are ridiculously better than the $122 ea. price I paid new!

His new design intrigues me because it is a "ground-up" effort. He designed a whole new concentric driver - from the frame to the magnets to the cones. That's why these are on the pricey side. There was no doubt a boatload of new tooling that must be amortized. I'd love to hear them, but I live in a HiFi Desert with only a BestBuy store for 100 miles.

I do hope someone here has a direct report. I watched all the Steve Gutenberg videos about it, and they do seem like a hit.
 
Hi Guys,

Thank you for all your thoughts/suggestions. Oh, I saw this video the other day and, I think "Ray" is most likely correct about the "Industry". I know nothing about "Ray Audio" this being the very first of his videos I've viewed.



SixCats!
 
Ooh Man, talk about going from a soaring HIGH to a crashing LOW (a complete 180) in just a matter of minutes.






SixCats!
 
Capitalists gonna capitalize.

Honestly, having gone up the mountain (at least to a degree) and now back towards base camp, I'm pleased with most any reputable, well-built speaker.

I'm gunning and saving for either some LRS+ Magnepans, but hoping to buy 1.7i's. That's the sound I want.

Is this Andrew Jones speaker good? I'm sure. But I think beyond a point, like with DAC's, you're paying for a flavor.
 
onwardjames said:
Capitalists gonna capitalize.

Honestly, having gone up the mountain (at least to a degree) and now back towards base camp, I'm pleased with most any reputable, well-built speaker.

I'm gunning and saving for either some LRS+ Magnepans, but hoping to buy 1.7i's. That's the sound I want.

Is this Andrew Jones speaker good? I'm sure. But I think beyond a point, like with DAC's, you're paying for a flavor.
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Hi owj,

I do understand what you are saying. I guess I'm finding it difficult to consider certain "foreign/overseas" Speakers (especially after watching the second video) for the many reasons mentioned in the second video. Ugggh, I realize I just now cut my new Speaker choices down by about 95% .

Ooh owj, ironic that you should mentioned the Magneplanars LRS+ as I too have been thinking about purchasing a pair of LSR+.
Back in the day (late 70's early 80's) Magnepan Speakers were one of my MOST wanted Speakers.

I absolutely LOVED the Maggies and of late, I have been considering purchasing a pair of LRS+ (especially now since I have a "Cat Free Zone Audio Room") the thing is, I am also very interested setting up a Stereo SET system using Horn/Concentric Point Source/Full Range type (super sensitive) Speakers. Arrrrrr, choices and decisions! I should of been born rich.

owj, let me ask you please, should you purchase Magneplanars, which Amp (make and model) do you plan to use ? I suspect a High Current Amp ?
Well, if I ever do decided to FINALLY (before I die) pull the trigger on a pair of Maggies (since I already have so many Mono Horn type Speakers and a SET Mono 2A3 Amp) I will need a new Sand Amp as well.

I'm thinking the LSR+ would be more than enough Speaker for my listening area especially since I only listen at rather modest volumes.
Please do keep up posted owj which Speakers you decide to purchase.

My conundrum:

Regards,
SixCats! aka Tom in Maine
 
@SixCats! Hey Tom!!

Lemme quickly tell you what put me down this road. I've gone thru the HPM100 phase, the JBL phase, the Yamaha phase (2 different pair of NS-690III's) and sundry others.

2 years or so ago, a very kind AK'er offered to give me several pair of speakers, FREE. I made the trip, we had a most excellent time, and I left with, among others, a pair of SMGa Magnepans. They would cut out at anything below deafening, and rattled a little (typical problem with the mylar) but what I heard was WHAT I HAD NEVER HEARD. Full, rich, and deeeeeeep sound. I was smitten.

I tried, unsuccessfully, to fix the bass segment cut-out, and may try once more, but for now, they reside in my building. At the price point, I could afford those LRS+'s, but everyone says if you can spring for it, the 1.7i speakers are the way to go. My listening area is approximately 11x11 or at least close to that. I also listen at very ordinary levels.

Likely as not, once I gather the courage, I'll part with several very nice offerings and have plenty to buy a set. Once I make that decision, I'll probably power them with my Threshold 400a. 100 watts, I know, but the strongest 100 watts I've ever heard.

I'll keep you posted, sir. Have a great day!
 
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onwardjames said:
@SixCats! Hey Tom!!

Lemme quickly tell you what put me down this road. I've gone thru the HPM100 phase, the JBL phase, the Yamaha phase (2 different pair of NS-690III's) and sundry others.

2 years or so ago, a very kind AK'er offered to give me several pair of speakers, FREE. I made the trip, we had a most excellent time, and I left with, among others, a pair of SMGa Magnepans. They would cut out at anything below deafening, and rattled a little (typical problem with the mylar) but what I heard what WHAT I HAD NEVER HEARD. Full, rich, and deeeeeeep sound. I was smitten.

I tried, unsuccessfully, to fix the bass segment cut-out, and may try once more, but for now, they reside in my building. At the price point, I could afford those LRS+'s, but everyone says if you can spring for it, the 1.7i speakers are the way to go. My listening area is approximately 11x11 or at least close to that. I also listen at very ordinary levels.

Likely as not, once I gather the courage, I'll part with several very nice offerings and have plenty to buy a set. Once I make that decision, I'll probably power them with my Threshold 400a. 100 watts, I know, but the strongest 100 watts I've ever heard.

I'll keep you posted, sir. Have a great day!
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Ooh, THRESHOLD Amp! I would think that would work nicely! Man, I spent the entire day being a "Couch Potato" and watch just about every Magnepan & Amp Videos I could find. Uggggh, Amps not IN-expensive! Should I go for Maggies, I suppose I could make due (for the time being) with one of my NAD Integrated Amps. I have an older C350 needing a (hopefully) minor repair. I think that C350 might work out with the LRS+ since (as I mentioned) I don't listen too loudly. Ummmm.....

https://www.overload.it/old/menu.ph...tereo-integrated-amplifier-isc-nad_643en.html

SixCats!
 
SixCats! said:
Hi Guys,

Thank you for all your thoughts/suggestions. Oh, I saw this video the other day and, I think "Ray" is most likely correct about the "Industry". I know nothing about "Ray Audio" this being the very first of his videos I've viewed.



SixCats!
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I have seen this guys videos for a while and I can’t stand listening to this guy jay! The video he made regarding the point source is ridiculous! He must have a vendetta or a conflict of interest in the speaker? Although I don’t have a you tube channel, I have been an avid audiophile over 20 years before jay was even born. He mentions the record issues with MoFi, which I have no argument with, but when he says that he “predicts” that every dealer will be selling these, and that soon they will be worth much less on the used market, and are basically just the newest fad, and that he heard them and they don’t sound that good? He is stating the obvious? Every single piece of gear that comes out and is favorably reviewed faces the same exact issues? That’s why a 20,000 amplifier will loose almost 40% of its value in the first year, and then will continue to loose value after that. Like he is some guru that can predict the future? This guy is arrogant and his videos are as such. Of course everyone will sell it, if I were a dealer, I would sell it. Nearly all high end gear is over priced, that’s the nature of the beast. It’s what we accept as audiophiles. To say that this is just some flash in the pan speaker is just not fair! I am not tooting my own horn, but I have been blessed to own some of the finest gear sold, Speakers many, many times the cost of the point source tens. I fully realize that all these thoughts are just opinions, like jays, but I was at the show where the speakers were demoed, I was in the room that jay says not many people were at, and “no one was getting out there checkbook to buy” and I can honestly say that it is a dam fine speaker! Beautifully built, I mean top notch! As solid and beautifully built speaker you will find. Sounded spectacular! Everyone, I mean everyone I talked to, and saw, thought the same. There were a ton of people drooling over this speaker and the room was always full! I was there three times in one day and it was packed every time. I am not a dealer, I have no interest in this speaker other than an honest audiophile that enjoyed hearing them. I bought a pair, and I’m glad I did. I think they represent an incredible value in this extremely overpriced hobby. Sorry but it just bugged me that most of the things that this guys said were just not true! If he didn’t like them then, I respect his opinion. All the other crap he said was just that! I don’t even see a reason to that video, it was just a bashing session, not a speaker review. If you purchase them, it will take you about 5 seconds to know you made a great decision. They are awesome!
 
jon anderson said:
I have seen this guys videos for a while and I can’t stand listening to this guy jay! The video he made regarding the point source is ridiculous! He must have a vendetta or a conflict of interest in the speaker? Although I don’t have a you tube channel, I have been an avid audiophile over 20 years before jay was even born. He mentions the record issues with MoFi, which I have no argument with, but when he says that he “predicts” that every dealer will be selling these, and that soon they will be worth much less on the used market, and are basically just the newest fad, and that he heard them and they don’t sound that good? He is stating the obvious? Every single piece of gear that comes out and is favorably reviewed faces the same exact issues? That’s why a 20,000 amplifier will loose almost 40% of its value in the first year, and then will continue to loose value after that. Like he is some guru that can predict the future? This guy is arrogant and his videos are as such. Of course everyone will sell it, if I were a dealer, I would sell it. Nearly all high end gear is over priced, that’s the nature of the beast. It’s what we accept as audiophiles. To say that this is just some flash in the pan speaker is just not fair! I am not tooting my own horn, but I have been blessed to own some of the finest gear sold, Speakers many, many times the cost of the point source tens. I fully realize that all these thoughts are just opinions, like jays, but I was at the show where the speakers were demoed, I was in the room that jay says not many people were at, and “no one was getting out there checkbook to buy” and I can honestly say that it is a dam fine speaker! Beautifully built, I mean top notch! As solid and beautifully built speaker you will find. Sounded spectacular! Everyone, I mean everyone I talked to, and saw, thought the same. There were a ton of people drooling over this speaker and the room was always full! I was there three times in one day and it was packed every time. I am not a dealer, I have no interest in this speaker other than an honest audiophile that enjoyed hearing them. I bought a pair, and I’m glad I did. I think they represent an incredible value in this extremely overpriced hobby. Sorry but it just bugged me that most of the things that this guys said were just not true! If he didn’t like them then, I respect his opinion. All the other crap he said was just that! I don’t even see a reason to that video, it was just a bashing session, not a speaker review. If you purchase them, it will take you about 5 seconds to know you made a great decision. They are awesome!
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Wow! OUTSTANDING Jon and congratulations on your purchase of the new POINTSOURCE 10's!

Yes indeed Jon, this is the first time I ever heard this Guy Jay and while I think Jay had some points about the Audio Industry on the whole I might think to be true, I 100% agree with you that this Guy Jay sounds as if he has an Axe (or two) to grind.
I have seen several other Videos and personal accounts/thoughts regarding these Speakers and they are HIGHLY regarded!

This "type" of Speaker is right up my alley (except for the price lol). That is to say, I want my Cake and eat it too. I would love to own a "NEW/MODERN" single LARGE driver (and VERY sensitive coaxial/concentric/point source Driver/Speaker) for use with (future) SET Amp but, I want it for a LOT LESS money lol. I will have to bide my time.

I have several vintage large Driver (12" to 15") Mono Speakers (as well as a three way Stephens Tru-Sonic Horn) and I can't help but wonder, how might an UPDATED version of these older designs sound today with all the advancements in Engineering/Computers/Materials/etc. ?

I have a "Gut" feeling there will be SEVERAL Speaker Companies offering producing the likes of the SourcePoint 10 in the near future.

Ooh Jon, which Amp(s) are you planning to use for your new Speakers ? Enjoy! (I know you will).

Regards,
SixCats! aka Tom in Maine
 
First let me say that Andrew Jones is a good fella. Approachable and friendly. But very knowledgeable and skilled at his craft.
That being said, I think that his last few designs (too new for me to tell on this one with MoFi) were overpriced for what they were. I owned two of them (from the same line) from Elac.
I had some QC issues with the towers (Adante’s) and because of the circumstances and my confidence, I fixed them myself (you can search Polk Audio forum for this same username and “Adante”. After fixing them, I enjoyed them for some time. Even switched to the bookies version. BUT I would not have spent the list price on them. I purchased for half or less than the suggested retail $$. I was satisfied with this ROI.
The issue I have overall, is when his name is pasted on a speaker release, there is a certain premium that is added to the product that I do not believe is warranted. Enjoyed the heck out of the Adante towers, but they were not worth $6k.
Maybe things will be different here, but this is MoFi , not the most trustworthy company out there as of late.
 
joecoulson said:
First let me say that Andrew Jones is a good fella. Approachable and friendly. But very knowledgeable and skilled at his craft.
That being said, I think that his last few designs (too new for me to tell on this one with MoFi) were overpriced for what they were. I owned two of them (from the same line) from Elac.
I had some QC issues with the towers (Adante’s) and because of the circumstances and my confidence, I fixed them myself (you can search Polk Audio forum for this same username and “Adante”. After fixing them, I enjoyed them for some time. Even switched to the bookies version. BUT I would not have spent the list price on them. I purchased for half or less than the suggested retail $$. I was satisfied with this ROI.
The issue I have overall, is when his name is pasted on a speaker release, there is a certain premium that is added to the product that I do not believe is warranted. Enjoyed the heck out of the Adante towers, but they were not worth $6k.
Maybe things will be different here, but this is MoFi , not the most trustworthy company out there as of late.
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Hi Joe,

I have to agree with you that Andrew Jones appears to be one heck of a very nice Guy (and no doubt very smart). That being said, I also have to agree with you that (almost ANY, especially new) Audio Gear is just waaaaaay over priced. At one time, "items" being made/assembled "over seas" USE to be sold at reasonable pricing however, this appears to no longer be the case. As nice looking/sounding as many of these "over seas" products may be, I just refuse to pay the exorbitant prices.

For the most part, I'm a "Cheapskate" Audio Hobbyist at Heart and as such, I bide my time and try my best to be "Johnny on the spot" finding used Audio gear deals. Yesterday was a prime example as I did some "Horse Trading" and came home with a lovely lil' pair of (seemingly rare in the U.S.) Mission 773 (two-way) Tower Speaker made in England. I am very much enjoying what these lil' Towers can do! I am happy for you Joe that you found and purchased (at less than half price) the Adante Towers and enjoyed them for a period of time.

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Ooh, btw, perhaps/maybe, there exist only a select few Audio Products may be worth that "certain premium added" sticker/pricing (such as certain Klipsch Speakers for example).

Happy hunting!

Regards,
SixCats! aka Tom in Maine
 
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