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Any reviews/thoughts on the Denon DP-62L (or similar)?
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shelly_d
Not An Audiophool
Just looked up that turntable on Vinyl Engine. At those performance levels I would think it would not really matter. Assuming the pivot to stylus distances are the same with either arm, and you are equally capable of aligning the cartridge to either arm (I find it easier to align an S arem then a straight one, keep getting the cartridge cocked in the headshell
) then the only real difference would be the overall mass of the tonearm and the look of it. Personally, I think the S shape looks a bit more elegant and the straight is a more functional look. If there is a difference in mass, (I would think the S shaped arm is heavier) then the choice should be made to make the best match to cartridge compliance that you can. Either way, that is one incredible turntable. I envy you on that one. Enjoy.
Shelly_D
) then the only real difference would be the overall mass of the tonearm and the look of it. Personally, I think the S shape looks a bit more elegant and the straight is a more functional look. If there is a difference in mass, (I would think the S shaped arm is heavier) then the choice should be made to make the best match to cartridge compliance that you can. Either way, that is one incredible turntable. I envy you on that one. Enjoy.Shelly_D
PabloX
Super Member
Thanks. The straight arm is lower mass, per the instruction manual.
ETI_5000
Super Member
It doesn’t matter which tonearm pipe you use, because the electronic tonearm means they’ll both be perfect matches with any cartridge you use. Mass is irrelevant, despite what the manual says, because with the electronics, the arm acts virtually as though it doesn’t have any mass.
Without the electronics, the low mass straight arm would be the one to go for, but because of the electronics the low frequency resonance is damped almost out of existence, so there’s no problem with using the s-shaped arm – it will work just as well, because the electronics adapt to the cartridge, whatever its compliance, and whatever the physical mass of the arm. Just make sure that the tonearm is working correctly, because the electronics are complicated, and hard to repair.
Without the electronics, the low mass straight arm would be the one to go for, but because of the electronics the low frequency resonance is damped almost out of existence, so there’s no problem with using the s-shaped arm – it will work just as well, because the electronics adapt to the cartridge, whatever its compliance, and whatever the physical mass of the arm. Just make sure that the tonearm is working correctly, because the electronics are complicated, and hard to repair.
I sometimes use a Shure M97HE in my S arm. Sounds great!
PabloX
Super Member
Thanks (and thanks to ETI_5000 also). The V15 is already mounted in a standard headshell so the S arm would be an easy first trial. I'm also not sure I want to permanently leave the V15 on this table, but I'll need to figure out what other cart to get in that case.
markd51
Nyuk Nyuk
There's many nice Denon Tables to be had. The DP-59, DP-60, and DP 2000 are all very nice. Yeah, to find a mint DP-59/60, you might be tossing 7 freaking big ones, maybe more, but if you can find an el minto example, I would say you didn't do bad at all.
Here's another one I bought about 8 months ago, drove and picked it up. Extremely clean example, and I have another almost just like it, but with a custom fitted AQ PT-8 Arm.
This one here has the Luxman-Micro Seiki TA- 1, very nice arm has the smoothest Cuing mechanism I've ever seen on an arm in my life.
Scroll down to see the pics. The Discwasher Iso Base was included, unique, and quite heavy.
https://www.usaudiomart.com/details...lus-wood-base-plus-tonearm-and-new-cartridge/
Here's another one I bought about 8 months ago, drove and picked it up. Extremely clean example, and I have another almost just like it, but with a custom fitted AQ PT-8 Arm.
This one here has the Luxman-Micro Seiki TA- 1, very nice arm has the smoothest Cuing mechanism I've ever seen on an arm in my life.
Scroll down to see the pics. The Discwasher Iso Base was included, unique, and quite heavy.
https://www.usaudiomart.com/details...lus-wood-base-plus-tonearm-and-new-cartridge/
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PabloX
Super Member
@Northman and @w1jim, Have you recapped your 62Ls? There are posts on Vinyl Engine recommending this as a protection measure for the IC(s).
Also, do electrolytic capacitors die due to age or use (or both)? Assuming a 27yo piece of electronics has never been used, is it truly like new or has it still aged?
Also, do electrolytic capacitors die due to age or use (or both)? Assuming a 27yo piece of electronics has never been used, is it truly like new or has it still aged?
No, I haven’t recapped mine. Frankly I see turntables as such delicate machines I’m reluctant to go messing around in there.
The only maintenance I’ve done is to adjust the speed sensor gap where it reads the magnetic material inside of the platter.
Electrolytic capacitors from my understanding decay due to age and heat.
That being said, and while I’m an enthusiastic recapper, I think many (most but maybe not all) caps that are replaced are in fact fine.
Northman
Active Member
I also have not had mine recapped, though I'd gladly do it if necessary.
ETI_5000
Super Member
You forgot:
See vinylengine in the reviews section (which has just returned, and is found below Articles after logging in), because there is a Gramophone review of the DP-57L which can be downloaded, in conjunction with a separate review of the DL-301 cartridge in the DP-57L tonearm, by the late British engineer John Borwick, and the frequency response of the cartridge shows how effective the low frequency damping of the electronic tonearm is. The resonant ‘peak’ is virtually flat, and much less than 1dB, where my database of hundreds of tonearm and cartridge combinations shows the average low frequency resonant peak is 9dB, with some (Grados!) in undamped tonearms varying up to 20+dB (with obvious huge IM distortion, of course). So you can see why those electronic tonearms sound so good, and make the best of any cartridge.
Incidentally, the DL-301 frequency response was virtually a flat line for both channels from just above 10Hz up to 45kHz (the upper limit he measured to), and Borwick said it was about the flattest he’d measured at that time (83), so you can see why so many people (myself included) like the sound of Denon cartridges.
- · DP-57L - identical to the DP-62L in all but cabinet finish and colour
- · DP-67L and DP-72L – same electronics, platter, mechanicals and very similar tonearm to DP-57L/62L twins, but 3.5kg/7.6lb heavier cabinets
See vinylengine in the reviews section (which has just returned, and is found below Articles after logging in), because there is a Gramophone review of the DP-57L which can be downloaded, in conjunction with a separate review of the DL-301 cartridge in the DP-57L tonearm, by the late British engineer John Borwick, and the frequency response of the cartridge shows how effective the low frequency damping of the electronic tonearm is. The resonant ‘peak’ is virtually flat, and much less than 1dB, where my database of hundreds of tonearm and cartridge combinations shows the average low frequency resonant peak is 9dB, with some (Grados!) in undamped tonearms varying up to 20+dB (with obvious huge IM distortion, of course). So you can see why those electronic tonearms sound so good, and make the best of any cartridge.
Incidentally, the DL-301 frequency response was virtually a flat line for both channels from just above 10Hz up to 45kHz (the upper limit he measured to), and Borwick said it was about the flattest he’d measured at that time (83), so you can see why so many people (myself included) like the sound of Denon cartridges.
savatage1973
Addicted Member
It has still aged. Depending on storage conditions, perhaps even faster than if used on a daily or weekly basis.
I tend to agree with you, but in situations (like this one) a cap failing can cause failure of other "unobtanium" components. You don't wait to change your oil in your car until the engine starts knocking? At least I hope not. At that age, it is just preventative/pre-emptive maintenance--caps are cheap, and modern caps generally have tighter tolerances. So a few bucks in caps beats the hell out the misery of staring at an expensive "doorstop", hoping to find the "unobtanium" parts to fix it.
PabloX
Super Member
There is another difference between the 57L and 62L. The 57L is all manual where the 62L has auto lift/shutoff at the end of the record. I believe the same is true of the 67L/72L.
Part of this for me is trying to figure out what cart to put on it. I have no experience with moving coil cartridges and I'm wondering if there's any other moving magnet ones that will compare to my V15 III.
Incidentally, I don't see that Gramaphone review. Any chance you have the URL handy?
EDIT: never mind, found it.
2nd EDIT: I take back what I said about manual vs. semi. I could have sworn I read the 57L is manual only. Sorry about that.
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PabloX
Super Member
Yes. Killing that unobtanium part is my concern.
PabloX
Have you purchased a DP-62L yet?
If you have then we could do some listening tests - I have an “S” tonearm with a DL-300 MC cartridge on it (and a SUT) that we could swap back and forth.
Or you could bring the Shure over here and we could swap it in - but our “ear memory” might not be as durable as the remounting time.
Jim