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Anybody here generate wind energy for their home?

MikeCh

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Where I live there's always a steady breeze if not an onslaught of wind and best of all, it's free for the taking. If the community around me is accepting of the idea, I think it'd be pretty neat to install a small system of some sort.

Do any of you pump juice back into the grid for an offset of your cost? My guess is the ROI would be years out, but is it worth entertaining the idea?

Thanks,
Mike
 
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If you community is anything like most, the noise generated by a wind generator along with the obvious visual impact will probably stop you in your tracks. Even the cell towers in populated areas have to be disguised these days.
 
What is this talk about the noise? When i travel to my relatives stomping grounds, I pass several wind farms along the road. I hear nothing. By the way, Farmers used to use windmills to draw well water. Also, I have the perfect example of how this technology is used best. Bureau Valley High School. Here is an excerpt from their website:

MANLIUS, IL--Locating a power plant in a schoolyard would have probably caused quite an uproar at PTA meetings everywhere a decade ago, but this is 2006 and times have changed. Keith Bolin, a hog farmer from northern Illinois, not only supports the idea, he took the lead in developing such a project in his hometown. Bolin, a father of three and a new grandpa, knows the importance of a good education and a quality school district. That is precisely why he spent two and a half years working to get a 660 kW Vestas wind turbine constructed at Bureau Valley High School.

He and his wife, Barbara, operate an outside farrow-to-finish hog operation in Bureau County and raise corn, oats, and alfalfa. Keith has farmed there since 1978, and he knows the land. He realized how windy it was in his area and started to discuss the possibilities of wind energy with his wife over the dinner table. They began to look into it together and after learning about successful turbines powering schools in Iowa at an American Corn Growers Association Conference in 2000 they were finally convinced that they had a viable site and good match with Bureau Valley High. They began to talk seriously with other people about the idea.

Bolin met Jesper Michaelsen from Vestas at a wind conference in Chicago and got him excited about the project. They applied for their first grant in July of 2002 and received $20,000 from the Illinois Clean Energy Community Foundation. They used those funds to hire consultant Jay Haley of EAPC Architects and Engineers to perform their wind resource assessment. Haley did an extensive study of the site and also took advantage of data from Monmouth College and the nearby Crescent Ridge commercial wind farm. That first grant was crucial to get the project moving. The school would never have been able to invest that much money just to see if the project was feasible. But with the study complete, and wind resource data in hand, they were confident that they had a good project and could move forward.

And he continued to lead the way. "I'm just a dirt hog farmer. I'm not the smartest guy on the block," Bolin said, but "somebody had to take the bull by the horns." Bolin views his greatest contribution as a trust builder between the local people of Bureau Valley and the "outsiders, the corporate people" who came to build the turbine. “For a community project, it takes a person or a group that really believes in it to lead and organize and to spur the professionals on. Somebody has to volunteer to be the leader. Paid professionals usually have other obligations - the superintendent has to focus on educating children, the engineer has other projects. That means a volunteer has to keep everything moving.” And keep it moving he did.

Bolin was able to secure an additional $480,000 from the Illinois Clean Energy Community Foundation and the Illinois Department of Commerce. He and his wife secured financing for the rest. “When it came time to find the term lender, Barb and I shopped around for the best rates on the remainder and ended up getting financing for $450,000 from Union Bank using tax free bonds at a rate of 3.37%.” They were still a little short, but made up the difference with the school’s operation and maintenance fund.

The school planned to use the turbine primarily to offset their electricity generation. Any excess generation will be sold to the local utility at their avoided cost of three cents. “We didn’t really negotiate with the local utility (Illinois Power), they’re just paying us their tariff rate. The real value of our project comes from reducing our electricity costs rather than selling the extra power. This was another reason we chose the 660 kW turbine. For us there’s not much advantage in producing much more electricity than we use. The fastest pay back comes from us not consuming $0.08-0.11/kWhr electricity since we can only sell it at $0.03 or so per kilowatt-hour.” Altogether Bolin expects total revenue for the project to be about $1.6 million. That could increase if the electricity rates go up faster than they estimated, or the turbine lasts longer than the expected 20 years.

The public raised some concerns during the process about noise, construction, and danger to birds in open-forum town meetings, where the turbine's architect, lawyers, and supporters were present to answer questions. Bolin said such consistent, informative communication minimized anxiety and skepticism about the project. "People need to be informed," he said. "They want to know, 'How's it doing?'" He added, "They're pretty proud of what they've done." Eventually, the community embraced the project, said Superintendent Rick Stoecker. “We could have put bleachers out there” during construction, lots of people were watching.”

Once the project was approved, the site was prepared and the turbine was installed in two months. The turbine went on-line in January of 2005, making Bureau Valley High School the first school in the state to install a turbine. In the first seven months of operation, the turbine's computerized records showed that it produced 646,397 kilowatt-hours of energy for the school and consumed only 2,715 for itself. Stoecker estimates that the turbine has saved the school district approximately $100,000 each year. “That’s two teacher’s [salaries] a year,” says Bolin.

The district considers the turbine to be a great way to earn some money, teach students about renewable energy, and help the environment. Bolin's next project was to incorporate the turbine into the school's curriculum, possibly as a business model, an agricultural project, and a study in engineering. Principal Terry Gutshall liked the idea and planned to start with physics class.

The project has inspired many other schools districts to look into wind energy for themselves. Stoecker has had so many calls about the project that he “doesn’t have time to name them all… We’ve had lots and lots of calls.” With so many other districts looking to cut costs around the state, Bureau Valley will create an exhibit and presentation that will be touted at state school board conventions, he said.

"This is probably the most significant thing I've ever done that's made a difference," Stoeker said of the turbine. "I'm real proud of it." Bolin is equally proud and has no regrets. “I would certainly do all this again and I wouldn’t really change much. We’ve tried to involve the community, politicians and the media; it’s been a very positive experience.”
 
What is this talk about the noise? When i travel to my relatives stomping grounds, I pass several wind farms along the road. I hear nothing.
...........going 70 miles an hour with the windows down and the radio going and two or three cars along side you.

Grab you sleeping bag, roll it out at the base of a windmill on a windy night, and try to sleep. If you can't get that close to one, I can arrange it.

Oh, and if you can put up a 100' windmill in your back yard, you won't mind if your neighbors park about 15 broken down cars in their front yard, will you?

And don't forget what happens the first time a bird flies into the blades...........
 
I didn't read all of that, too long. Wind has it's place, but what to do when the wind doesn't blow? Do we pause our lives? Stop what we're doing until the wind picks up? Plug our "green" cars into coal/oil/nuclear sources? Of course we do. If wind is less then x mph, we depend on other sources. "Green" cars have to be charged. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
 
I didn't read all of that, too long. Wind has it's place, but what to do when the wind doesn't blow? Do we pause our lives? Stop what we're doing until the wind picks up? Plug our "green" cars into coal/oil/nuclear sources? Of course we do. If wind is less then x mph, we depend on other sources. "Green" cars have to be charged. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Well, it isn't 100% effective, but that doesn't make it useless. What most folks who have it do is sell power to the grid when they are making more than they use, then buy power back when they need it. The result is a lot lower utility bill. I've read many folks can cut it in half. Takes a few years to recoup your investment, then you're ahead.

If you don't want one, that's fine. But I don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss some of these ideas for others. And sometimes folks even kinda seem violently opposed to the ideas. I mean, you know, someday, somehow, we have to do something. We can drill everywhere there is to drill, but one day the last bit of oil will come out of the ground. So why not get started?
 
Many comunities have laws that protect domestic wind power generation.

From what I have seen, they protect the ones already in place, but have imposed stricter regulations on any new applications. I imagine different areas have different rules, though.:yes:
 
I didn't read all of that, too long. Wind has it's place, but what to do when the wind doesn't blow? Do we pause our lives? Stop what we're doing until the wind picks up? Plug our "green" cars into coal/oil/nuclear sources? Of course we do. If wind is less then x mph, we depend on other sources. "Green" cars have to be charged. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

What to do when the wind doesn't blow? You plug whatever you want into your wall outlet because you are hooked to the power grid just like everybody else.

When the wind is blowing the power company pays you for the extra power you make that you aren't using. That is what I call a win/win situation. How can you call this a "Robbing Peter to pay Paul"?
 
...........going 70 miles an hour with the windows down and the radio going and two or three cars along side you.

Grab you sleeping bag, roll it out at the base of a windmill on a windy night, and try to sleep. If you can't get that close to one, I can arrange it.

Oh, and if you can put up a 100' windmill in your back yard, you won't mind if your neighbors park about 15 broken down cars in their front yard, will you?

And don't forget what happens the first time a bird flies into the blades...........

You're assumong too much on the road to the childhood home, country road route 40. I wonder if there is one in your nieghbor's yard or something that you can tell us different? I seriously want to know if these things are noisy and disruptive, because they have been sprouting up all over in central Illinois over the past decade. They are kind of an eyesore, but are they more of an eyesore than the transmission lines in some of the narrow steets on the east coast, or the huge towers that criss cross the midwest. My point is that maybe we could tolerate one of these things on the school campus that helps schools remain a viable entity. And maybe the farmers could have one to run their farms, where of course it would be taller than the windmills that pumped water, but not 100' plus. Maybe as tall as say, a silo?
 
I went on TV to present a new design that me and a couple of my peers came up with for your final year project. Our design collapsed like a tent and fit into a backpack for campers / expeditions who want electricity without lugging hundreds of pounds of batteries.
 
What to do when the wind doesn't blow? You plug whatever you want into your wall outlet because you are hooked to the power grid just like everybody else.

When the wind is blowing the power company pays you for the extra power you make that you aren't using. That is what I call a win/win situation. How can you call this a "Robbing Peter to pay Paul"?

This is a "sometimes" source of power, enough said. When it works, fine, when it doesn't, ummmmm, we still need power. That is why we need plants that generate no matter the wind/sun conditions. Wind turbines are not always availalble for generation. The wind stops and/or slows. Peter must pay in these instances. Paul's house goes dark.
 
This is a "sometimes" source of power, enough said. When it works, fine, when it doesn't, ummmmm, we still need power. That is why we need plants that generate no matter the wind/sun conditions. Wind turbines are not always availalble for generation. The wind stops and/or slows. Peter must pay in these instances. Paul's house goes dark.

Well Peter sure as hell beats the hell out of Paul.

Even if the wind blows 50% of the time, Paul is still saving money while Peter is completely dependent on the grid and is screwed if the power goes out for an extended period of time. At least Paul has some source of power he can fall back on while Peter has none. You can still have power with battery backup even if the wind isn't blowing. There are a lot of homes out there that are 100% off from the grid. Even enough where they make money from the extra power they make.

Paul has the Strait Flush while Peter only has a Full House.

No one ever said personal wind power should take over completely what the power grid can offer. If you do some research it has been done but you have to go green and not waste energy like most homes do.
 
This is a "sometimes" source of power, enough said. When it works, fine, when it doesn't, ummmmm, we still need power. That is why we need plants that generate no matter the wind/sun conditions. Wind turbines are not always availalble for generation. The wind stops and/or slows. Peter must pay in these instances. Paul's house goes dark.

I don't think MikeCh was saying he wanted one for a sole source of power, but rather to feed power back to the grid, reduce his power bill and maybe bank a little karma by doing the right thing. MudPuppy, when wind is generating power, conventional, polluting sources emit less bad stuff, assuming demand is level. Or do you just not get that???

Wind power currently supplies a small percentage of electricity in the US. But it's enough that if they took all the windmills offline, you'd see rolling blackouts across the country like you wouldn't believe, and rates would skyrocket to compensate. Then you'd really have something to complain about.
 
Kaffeen;2025227Wind power currently supplies a small percentage of electricity in the US. But it's enough that if they took all the windmills offline said:
I have no idea where you got that quote/statistic but if the nukes went offline here, the effects would be immediate not rolling. Instantaneous darkness. There is no wind AT ALL outside right now. Coal and nukes continue to burn all night. With wind there would be ZERO generation.
 
I don't think MikeCh was saying he wanted one for a sole source of power, but rather to feed power back to the grid, reduce his power bill and maybe bank a little karma by doing the right thing.

This is correct. I'm wanting to simply lower my winter electric bills when I'm running the heat tape on the roof (300-500 inches of annual snow fall + less than ideal roof slope = heat tape need). The system would need to be evaluated on it's efficiency in helping to reduce costs over a 12 month period.
 
Anybody here generate wind energy for their home?

Yep, especially after my wife serves her sauerkraut soup for supper :banana:.
 
...........going 70 miles an hour with the windows down and the radio going and two or three cars along side you.

Grab you sleeping bag, roll it out at the base of a windmill on a windy night, and try to sleep. If you can't get that close to one, I can arrange it.

Oh, and if you can put up a 100' windmill in your back yard, you won't mind if your neighbors park about 15 broken down cars in their front yard, will you?

And don't forget what happens the first time a bird flies into the blades...........


One of our neighbors already does and complaints to the County are as useful as shouting up a dead horse's arse. If Maryland starts offering grants as is being suggested I have the perfect site for one.
 
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