AR XA in good shape

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I have been looking for a decent one and I think this went under the radar tonight. I was surprised the condition of the deck itself and really these can be rough. Its a strong runner I am told by the seller it may need a belt and a mat but taking a closer look I think it is close. Very hard to decide on keeping it original or just modding it to the extreme. The Stanton may come off and be replaced with an MC of some sort I don't know. This is a nice one to daydream about.

What ya think guys? Did I do it again? I have seen some beautiful work done on these here on AK :music:
 

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The Stanton may come off and be replaced with an MC of some sort I don't know. This is a nice one to daydream about.

What ya think guys? Did I do it again? I have seen some beautiful work done on these here on AK :music:

Looks like a score to me. One motor or two?

The AR arm is a relatively low mass arm that is not well suited to low compliance cartridges.
 
I have been looking for a decent one and I think this went under the radar tonight. I was surprised the condition of the deck itself and really these can be rough. Its a strong runner I am told by the seller it may need a belt and a mat but taking a closer look I think it is close. Very hard to decide on keeping it original or just modding it to the extreme. The Stanton may come off and be replaced with an MC of some sort I don't know. This is a nice one to daydream about.

What ya think guys? Did I do it again? I have seen some beautiful work done on these here on AK :music:

Nice catch!! If the cart is a 681EEE you have "found" my first real TT and cart when I discovered good audio in the '60's (after my first real job!)

I have a Micro-Seiki BL-61 coming with that cart. :D
 
Looks like a score to me. One motor or two?

The AR arm is a relatively low mass arm that is not well suited to low compliance cartridges.
I was not sure on the tonearm mass. I'll look closer at that maybe the Stanton will work for now. One motor.
Nice!!.... looks like it's had a pretty good life. Just ripe for a few mods.:thmbsp:
First thing I will need is a platter mat I know...

Nice catch!! If the cart is a 681EEE you have "found" my first real TT and cart when I discovered good audio in the '60's (after my first real job!)

I have a Micro-Seiki BL-61 coming with that cart. :D
It is a 681EEE
Looks nice. If it came with a good headshell, you're ahead of the game.
Headshell is good. I hope the wiring is still. The owner said he listened to it all day before he listed it and it sounded great. I agree though the headshell needs to be good I hope it is. I know it may need a belt and I have to get that right.
Thanks guys. I hope the AR guys dream up some ideas for this one! It was an impulse buy however the condition really took me away on this one. Usually they are very expensive when this nice.
 
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Looks great! Nice find, you can mod the heck out of those and they are great tables. The first thing I would do is replace those old worn springs. Get a set of LInn springs you can pick them up off the bay cheap!
 
It certainly looks good from a cosmetic point of view. Nice find!

That was an important factor here. It looks like it was taken care of yet I am sure I will have to go through it extensively. PBDA I know you have done alot with the AR. Yours is so beautiful ! Thanks!

Looks great! Nice find, you can mod the heck out of those and they are great tables. The first thing I would do is replace those old worn springs. Get a set of LInn springs you can pick them up off the bay cheap!

I am going to do the full maintenance on it there is alot that will need to be done. The nice thing is these are very simple to work on. What a ice project.

I will look for new springs for sure. I really want to find the AR logo for the front I really do -price will be whatever I need to pay. And there is the mat. I may make a felt one for it or use the extra I bought for my ST-7 for now during testing.

I noticed this was a nice TT and I appreciate the support fellas!
 
I was not sure on the
Thanks guys. I hope the AR guys dream up some ideas for this one! It was an impulse buy however the condition really took me away on this one. Usually the are very expensive when this nice.
My advice would be to start by cleaning, lubing and adjusting for maximum performance in stock form and living with it for a while. That will give you a chance to determine what (if any) shortcomings there are in the sound for you and what upgrades (if any) you really need. You can mod this table until you can barely recognize it if you want, but not every mod will produce an improvement in sound that is immediately apparent to every user.

Most older ARs suffer from old, congealed lubrication in the platter and tonearm bearings, and will benefit enormously from a thorough cleaning and a fresh dose of light oil.

If you look at the small hole in the side of the rectangular arm bearing block and see a pin in it, the original factory damping is still engaged. This was an early form of viscous cueing intended to slow the fall of the arm if accidentally dropped; the AR tonearm is not intended to be a damped arm. Over time the visous goo will have hardened, and since the damping was originally designed for cartridges that tracked in the 2-3g range, the pin should be pulled out to disable the damping for under-2g tracking anyway. Without damping, the AR arm can track a medium to medium-high compliance cartridge to about 0.75g before it starts to experience tracking issues. 1.25-1.50g will provide ample safety margins. If the arm seems to stick when you swing it over the record, check to make sure there's a ball bearing in its well. The ball on the platter spindle is pressed in, but the arm ball is loose and they sometimes get lost.

If you experience rumble after cleaning and lubing, check to see if there is a plastic disc at the bottom of the platter bearing. These thrust discs sometime disintegrate or get lost over time.

Get a relatvely lightweight platter mat no thicker than 2mm to avoid messing up the suspension and VTA.

Good reproduction logos are available from Larry Lagace ("vintage-ar" on eBay).
 
My advice would be to start by cleaning, lubing and adjusting for maximum performance in stock form and living with it for a while. That will give you a chance to determine what (if any) shortcomings there are in the sound for you and what upgrades (if any) you really need. You can mod this table until you can barely recognize it if you want, but not every mod will produce an improvement in sound that is immediately apparent to every user.

Most older ARs suffer from old, congealed lubrication in the platter and tonearm bearings, and will benefit enormously from a thorough cleaning and a fresh dose of light oil.

If you look at the small hole in the side of the rectangular arm bearing block and see a pin in it, the original factory damping is still engaged. This was an early form of viscous cueing intended to slow the fall of the arm if accidentally dropped; the AR tonearm is not intended to be a damped arm. Over time the visous goo will have hardened, and since the damping was originally designed for cartridges that tracked in the 2-3g range, the pin should be pulled out to disable the damping for under-2g tracking anyway. Without damping, the AR arm can track a medium to medium-high compliance cartridge to about 0.75g before it starts to experience tracking issues. 1.25-1.50g will provide ample safety margins. If the arm seems to stick when you swing it over the record, check to make sure there's a ball bearing in its well. The ball on the platter spindle is pressed in, but the arm ball is loose and they sometimes get lost.

If you experience rumble after cleaning and lubing, check to see if there is a plastic disc at the bottom of the platter bearing. These thrust discs sometime disintegrate or get lost over time.

Get a relatvely lightweight platter mat no thicker than 2mm to avoid messing up the suspension and VTA.

Good reproduction logos are available from Larry Lagace ("vintage-ar" on eBay).

I have seen some of this in my research so far and its great you point it out here. I will be performing the maintenance on the table to bring it back to it's stock condition. It was my plan to leave it original and enjoy it's vintage sound for now. I have heard of the damping on the arm, but I read it awhile ago in fact it may have been a post you wrote. I would like to run a high compliance cartridge so I will check the damping pin. I am sure it is there. The foam washers at the tone arm and platter worry me however. I hope they can be used or if need be replaced somehow if I need to.
Thanks for the info - very cool!:thmbsp:
 
The foam washers at the tone arm and platter worry me however. I hope they can be used or if need be replaced somehow if I need to.
These washers don't do anything for performance. They trap oil to prevent sloppy applications from running all over the top deck and T-bar and prevent oil from leaking out during shipping or other transportation. If yours are crumbling (and most are), when you remove the platter and tonearm for cleaning just scrape the remnants away and make sure no bits fall into the wells.
 
These washers don't do anything for performance. They trap oil to prevent sloppy applications from running all over the top deck and T-bar and prevent oil from leaking out during shipping or other transportation. If yours are crumbling (and most are), when you remove the platter and tonearm for cleaning just scrape the remnants away and make sure no bits fall into the wells.

That is good news. When I saw them in the manual they looked like they were some type of bushing.
 
Hi,
There are three kinds of plinths.
1. Solid wood
2. Veneered wood
3. vinyl over particleboard.
I've removed and refinished both 1 and 2 above with excellent results. It gave me a great chance to inspect the springs and bushings while I was at it.
One interesting thing I discovered in turning four ARs into two ARs and then trading off the extra parts to a fellow AKer is that the stock cables look cheesy but present the correct RIAA capacitive load to the preamp or receiver. I built some nice ones, before my knowledge of Petra cables, and ended up putting the stock cables back on both cables.
Read up on the internet and play. That ball-bearing thing in the tonearm well is a key component, as is fresh oil when you've got it apart. Be careful of the shield covering the tonearm wires if you remove the tonearm to pull the shaft to look for/at the ball bearing and refresh the oil.
 
Nice score , just in case you haven't tumbled on it there is an AR forum over on VE , lots of info and pics etc . A must bookmark for AR owners .
I hope it arrives soon , let us know how it sounds once you get it.
:tresbon:
 
Nice looking AR, these are fun tables to mod, I cut my modding teeth on an ARXA. :thmbsp: Be careful with that headshell, they are easy to break and hard to find!
 
Jeeze, if you can score one in THAT good of condition, I would keep it as-is and modify the next beater you come across. That one is pristine, and is more collectable than a mod. Just my two cents.
 
Nice looking AR, these are fun tables to mod, I cut my modding teeth on an ARXA. :thmbsp: Be careful with that headshell, they are easy to break and hard to find!

I will be very careful with it. I hope so it is not damaged but giving this condition it may be fine.

Jeeze, if you can score one in THAT good of condition, I would keep it as-is and modify the next beater you come across. That one is pristine, and is more collectable than a mod. Just my two cents.

I was thinking I would keep her original and learn from my work. I want to hear the sound of the real AR XA. Later when I have more experience I will piece together a custom table. That would be good for me.

Thanks Guys! Really man...:yes:
 
Hi,
There are three kinds of plinths.
1. Solid wood
2. Veneered wood
3. vinyl over particleboard.
I've removed and refinished both 1 and 2 above with excellent results. It gave me a great chance to inspect the springs and bushings while I was at it.
One interesting thing I discovered in turning four ARs into two ARs and then trading off the extra parts to a fellow AKer is that the stock cables look cheesy but present the correct RIAA capacitive load to the preamp or receiver. I built some nice ones, before my knowledge of Petra cables, and ended up putting the stock cables back on both cables.
Read up on the internet and play. That ball-bearing thing in the tonearm well is a key component, as is fresh oil when you've got it apart. Be careful of the shield covering the tonearm wires if you remove the tonearm to pull the shaft to look for/at the ball bearing and refresh the oil.
Does this one look like the wood plynth? I am not sure its veneer. There is alot of good info out there on the AR I am slowly getting a plan together but will give her a try right out of the box to see how we did. I know I will be doioing the maintenance for sure and I have to do it right. I have seen the tables some have modded and I could not hold back any more. But this one is so nice I want to keep it original if I can. I hope nothing is hurt.
Thank you :D
 
Nice score , just in case you haven't tumbled on it there is an AR forum over on VE , lots of info and pics etc . A must bookmark for AR owners .
I hope it arrives soon , let us know how it sounds once you get it.
:tresbon:

Thanks John. Yes the vinylengine site is awesome I spend alot of time there too. I will sure keep everyone posted when it gets here I guess it ships tomorrow. Thanks for taking an interest in my AR! :yes:
 
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