Area 51 - civilian raid.

[BigElCat]

Interesting note: The F117 was developed and based in area 51 early in life, and they always kept them under parachutes. IN the hangars.

Not for security - it was the stealth features that played hell with the bats in the hangar - they couldn't "see" them, and used to regularly bash their brains out on them - resulting in damage to the fragile stealth coatings.
Also it wasn't magic why their polaroid pictures were all out of focus - the polaroid used an ultrasonic ranging circuit, that always thought it was shooting at infinity focus (no return echo for range)

Ben Rich's book about the stealth plane was out a year or so, and a stealth was on static display at O'Hare for a Military Open House.
The plane was surrounded by a taped off area that basically said: "we're not kidding - cross this line and it's that guy's DUTY to blow yer arse off"....
I had a conversation with one of the pilots, and started mentioning a few things as we talked - and this guy was getting greener and greener about the gills....
He finally says: "I gotta ask you to STOP"
I told him - "Ben Rich's book is out about the skonk works, and I'm DAMN sure he knew what he couldn't say (and they CHECKED) - so you guys gotta read the book so you know how much of the cat's out of the bag!!"


Like I said before: They're SERIOUS about security out there... and a low level Mach 1+ pass over those idjits is gonna have them looking for their fillings, once they uncross their eyes, pick themselves up off the ground and empty out their shorts.

Hmmm...regarding the parachutes. The tarps I mentioned were actually parachutes. I called them "tarps" just to simplify the story. A dude said his dad saw them, and he was puzzled by the fact that no means of support could be seen. No landing gear, no pedestal, no ropes or cables.

I can't be any more specific about why I believed the story to be true.

The F117's minimal sonar signature is interesting. That must be a by-product of minimizing the radar signature. Unless some missiles use sonar (?)

The B-2 and the F117 make a lot of noise. They say the noise is focused behind the aircraft, but I heard F117 approach from about a mile away. It was flying really low, maybe 300 ft, and moving surprising slow for the amount noise it was generating. I wasn't directly in front of it, I would have been at the 2 o'clock position relative to the F117. Why it was flying over Kansas, I have no idea, but it happened in 1998 or 1999. It's the only time I've ever seen one.

 

[datafone]

A dude said his dad saw them

It's in no way evidence of anything, eyewitness accounts are known to science to be very unreliable and treated that way. And we are looking at a secondhand statement here also, so not even a direct eyewitness account.....so worse than very unreliable.

Edit: basically it is just hearsay, and we know about these sort of whispers and how a story can change to fiction very quickly.
Also, If a person believes these conspiracy theories they will look for patterns that support that belief they have (false pattern recognition). This could be the case with that guy or his dad, if his dad really did see anything at all.

I believe this guy told you this story, but it is just that, a story.

 

[RamblinE]

Listen up boys. We're getting ready to storm the Somme. Those Jerry's can't possibly stop all of us.

 

[BrokenHill]

Alien Stock festival September 19-22 Rachel, Nevada.

Not to many roads to area 51 closing them far away from base will make
it difficult for most people to reach the base and those that hike or take
off road vehicles should be easy to keep under control once they get to
close to the base.

EMP gun could disable most vehicles that make it through road blocks
leaving the operators stranded on foot far out in the Nevada desert and it's
unlikely your cell phone will get signal to call for help not to mention it would
be fried from an EMP blast, bring lots of water for your survival.

Best to just hang out at the festival and enjoy the festivities.

 

[IPADave]

This looks like a potentially record setting Darwin Award event. Anyone stupid enough to attempt to do this deserves whatever they get.

-Dave

 

[Beatnik]

Texxas Jams were either June July or August in the Cotton Bowl. Hope they have enough water to hose them down and craft beer. They were hot !

 

[usedto]

Like I said before: They're SERIOUS about security out there... and a low level Mach 1+ pass over those idjits is gonna have them looking for their fillings, once they uncross their eyes, pick themselves up off the ground and empty out their shorts.

A couple low passes by C-130s loaded with liquid chicken sh*t might be just as effective.

 

[markthefixer]

I imagine a fleet of 747 and DC-10 supertankers unloading chickens**t on those dweebs, and have almost uncontrollable giggle fits.

Few roads..... plenty of choke points. Gonna RUN OUT of chickens**t.... firefighting foam turning closed roads into skating rinks...

 

[BigElCat]

 

[BigElCat]

It's in no way evidence of anything, eyewitness accounts are known to science to be very unreliable and treated that way. And we are looking at a secondhand statement here also, so not even a direct eyewitness account.....so worse than very unreliable.

Edit: basically it is just hearsay, and we know about these sort of whispers and how a story can change to fiction very quickly.
Also, If a person believes these conspiracy theories they will look for patterns that support that belief they have (false pattern recognition). This could be the case with that guy or his dad, if his dad really did see anything at all.

I believe this guy told you this story, but it is just that, a story.

It's one 'bit' of circumstantial evidence, because these guys are highly credible (Law Enforcement) with no motive to lie.

The UFO phenomena isn't a conspiracy theory overall, although some of it could be.

Here's one from your homeland.

 

[teal'c]

When the aliens all chose the same disguise...

 

[teal'c]

Air Force Warns Anyone Thinking About Coming to Area 51: "We Can Stop All of You"
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...bout-coming-area-51-we-can-stop-all-you-72276
Sounds to me like the Air Force is getting nervous.

 

[datafone]

It's one 'bit' of circumstantial evidence, because these guys are highly credible (Law Enforcement) with no motive to lie.

The UFO phenomena isn't a conspiracy theory overall, although some of it could be.

Here's one from your homeland.

You do understand what the 'U' in U.F.O. stands for, right?

Doesn't make a pinch of difference who says what, or who saw what, it is not evidence as recognized by science.
Based in physics and all we know the likely hood of extraterrestrials having visited us is plain laughable.
@BigElCat I'm definitely not having a go at you for believing, I used to believe... kind of, or want to believe in the past, until I understood more around the sciences, Physics, Cosmology, Neuroscience ect'.

I have had an experience in the past (won't go into details) that would have a believer think they had been abducted, do I think I was abducted, hell no! there are way way way more likely explanations that fit reality quite well.

The Brian can get things very wrong, one aspect is false pattern recognition.

Edit: sound wasn't working on that one...

 

[datafone]

 

[pustelniakr]

Moderation Note:

Stripped the last few posts, which were diverting in a religion/philosophy direction. That will get this thread closed down, so...

Rich P

 

[Sandy G]

All these yahoos who want the aliens to show up, oughta go look up the "Twilight Zone" show from March 1962-"To Serve Man", sit down & tell me then how much they hope folks from Remulack show up... Be careful what you ask for, Boys, you MIGHT Get It..

 

[DonQuixote99]

You can make a case for the aliens being gentle and civil. You can also make a case for their plan to be to totally destroy the planet. The case for sneaky spy aliens, which is the main popular conception, is one of the more silly. It combines narcissism (Wow, look how interested the aliens are in us! We must be really special!) with a necessary explanation as to why their presence isn't more obvious.

 

[BigElCat]

Confirmed by multiple radars, and video cameras. And visible to the human eye.

Other eye witness accounts could be true.

 

[BigElCat]

Brian can get things very wrong, one aspect is false pattern recognition.

Brian's a nice guy...a little bit slow maybe...but he's special.

 

[Imprecise]

Flying saucers?

No, flying cups