Audiophile Room Receptacles

WaynerN said:
On another note, I do not like houses that have had the lighting and outlets on the same circuit,
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I dislike this for slightly more pragmatic reasons. If I pop the breaker, don't want to have to feel my way out of the room in the dark. The noise and such is also an issue. As remodeling work happens in the house, I've been moving the lights off the outlet circuits. Downstairs is now all isolated. Upstairs is still the single circuit for everything as it was in 1955.
 
CruzBay said:
I'd steer clear of the Audiophile grade devices, Hospital Grade ratings are at the top of the industry and must pass much more rigorous standards than a regular outlet.
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Why would you say that? We are now well over 60 posts and not one mention of "Audiophile grade devices", not one. If you have never tried one, how can you make such a comment? This is not the right forum for cables, audiophile connectors...You are not the only one either.

I happen to use audiophile outlets and I find them far superior to hospital grade outlets. I also use "audiophile IEC connectors and plugs" but this is not the place to talk about it because those who have a definite opinion about them have probably never tried one or possibly seen one in their lifetime. Tell me they suck because you have had experience with them. Hospital grade outlets are a fantastic product that is relatively affordable and they are worth every penny because I still have and use some. I did upgrade to the way more expensive ones because they made a better difference in my gear.

All that matters is how one feels about a product he has tried. Until you try one, you have no clue as to what it does! Damn, I just couldn't help myself as I wanted to steer clear of this. All that we have learned has nothing to do with music but on the positive side of things, it's nice to find out that some people understand the safety issues concerning cheap outlets. Nobody has answered the OP's "Audiophile Room Receptacles" which hospital grade receptacles are not.
 
ehoove said:
I ran two 20 amp lines to my amps when setting up my sound room as I knew I would have two big stereo SS amps and 4 tube mono blocks as well as two crossovers on the circuits I used PS Audio Power Ports since I got a great deal on them, and they do grip the plugs like a vise!
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Similarly, I ran two 20A circuits to my listening room. Since the power cords are exceptionally stiff, I wanted firm outlets

dogscanskate said:
I happen to use audiophile outlets and I find them far superior to hospital grade outlets. I also use "audiophile IEC connectors and plugs" but this is not the place to talk about it because those who have a definite opinion about them have probably never tried one or possibly seen one in their lifetime.
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Furutech? Oyaide? Synergistic Research?
 
Oyaide R1, and I just love them. They lifted a heck of a veil. I'll also be very honest, I tried their Purple outlet and I hated them with a vengeance. The HG outlets wipe the floor with the Purple. Tread carefully :)!
 
CruzBay said:
Read the whole thread, or wait to disagree on something much?

Hint, Ace; there are 2 on the first page.
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Post #4 mentions where you can buy some but nowhere else is there specific mention of audiophile grade outlets that I can see.

I sure would like to know how much you know about those audiophile outlets and how you came to the conclusion ( for the benefit of all readers ) advising us that we should steer clear from audiophile outlets. You said it, I respect that if you can tell me how and why you came to that conclusion. So many experts here that have an opinion on stuff they have never tried, seen or owned. If you are gonna call "snake oil" and I don't mind as long as you can prove it.
 
It's possible that the OP used the word 'audiophile' to qualify the word 'room', not the word 'receptacle'.

FWIW, I put a PS Audio Power Port Classic on each of the four dedicated 20A lines I had installed several years ago. IIRC, they were $25 on a clearance, before the Power Port Plus came out at $100, and the Classic went to $50. If I was flush, I'd do that again, but with my present budget, the $5 hospital-grade ones are the ones I'd use.
 
sqlsavior said:
It's possible that the OP used the word 'audiophile' to qualify the word 'room', not the word 'receptacle'.

FWIW, I put a PS Audio Power Port Classic on each of the four dedicated 20A lines I had installed several years ago. IIRC, they were $25 on a clearance, before the Power Port Plus came out at $100, and the Classic went to $50. If I was flush, I'd do that again, but with my present budget, the $5 hospital-grade ones are the ones I'd use.
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I totally understand what you are saying and I agree with you. Just the word "audiophile" the OP used launched a tirade by a few members against the audio grade outlets. All I ask is that they back up what they say and it doesn't have to be scientific. The greatest value of this thread is that finally some members have taken it upon themselves to educate and inform the vast majority of the shortcomings of cheap outlets and the repercussions they can have if and when they become defective. This is a wonderful thread that shouldn't be spoiled by battered egos.

Let's keep this one going in the right direction and keep educating those who want to learn. Your posts here have been a gold mine in safety and it overrides the petty arguments about "audiophile" oriented products. I do apologize to those whose feathers I ruffled. It surely is not my intention to have this thread locked to defend my ego or try to offend someone else.
 
Hey sqlsavior! Or "Tard", WTF r u talking about? I glanced over ur post quickly, didn't realize it was pointed at me. And yea, U kind of did call me a tard. The original poster was asking for advice, so since I'm a master electrician, and not some jackwagen talking out of my other end, I thought I'd see if I could help him out. I have about 48 years in the trade. I even offered for him to pm me, as he mentioned something about not having a ground wire, which I know he should have. There are some wiring situations where that might not be evident to someone not in the know. So, I guess you must be a real expert on this. From ur posts, I know you have absolutely NO effing (as u put it) experience in electrical work, so why do you think you're such an expert here. The sheer density of the poster making fun of audiophiles and ridiculing a sensible suggestion? U serious? I just said u guys r funny, normal devices will be fine for this application. Though I think these would make most of you feel much better. U must b pretty thin skinned if that gets u pissed enough to call me tard and then add ur other post. it was meant just as said, nothing in a mean spirited way. BTW, the pics of the burnt receptacles you posted look to me like they overheated from connections being loose, that really the most common problem found with burnt devices, although true, rarely the jaws do loose there tension, very rare though. So, now that I know we have a real authority here, I'll just keep quite and get educated by you, OK? And davevoor, nice touch piling on with the literacy is dead comment, thank you too!
 
The connections were tight as can be, still curled around the screws. The wire broke, probably when I pulled it out. I would think an electrician with nearly 50 years of experience would know about the dangers of loose connections. I guess I won't be apologizing, nor deleting my post. Kinda felt bad about it for awhile, but now my reservations are gone.

Good day!
 
why would u feel different now? I didn't say anything about deleting you' re post. You're saying that happened from the prongs of the plug not being gripped tightly? Possible, it happens, mostly from unreliable backstab connection or wire or side screw not tight enough. sometimes people nick the wire when stripping it compromising it
 
In 2013 I re-did every electrical device in my 1989 house. All back-stabs coming loose, some devices becoming discolored. I installed Leviton residential grade using side terminals and wire nuts for daisy-chaining (the previous setup was daisy-chained using the back-stabs).
Frustratingly, these days I am finding some of these Leviton outlets loosing contact retention. So, the advice about industrial/commercial devices is helpful.

BTW, as an electrical engineer, I find the enthusiastic feedback about "audiophile" receptacles quite funny, how people convince themselves that different brands of receps result in a different "coloring" of the sound! Wow, that's some far out stuff!
 
joebeadg said:
why would u feel different now? I didn't say anything about deleting you' re post. You're saying that happened from the prongs of the plug not being gripped tightly? Possible, it happens, mostly from unreliable backstab connection or wire or side screw not tight enough. sometimes people nick the wire when stripping it compromising it
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I think a stripping nick may be the explanation for the wire breaking. It may have broken before I pulled it out, because that circuit was dead, which is what got me looking.

You're right, I do have a thin skin sometimes. You undoubtably know way more about electrical stuff than I do. It's just that the one thing I learned lately seemed to be dismissed, along with a dig at audiophiles, at least that's the way I read it. I apologize for my use of the word 'tard. It was uncalled for.
The post about deleting my post was #57. We might as well just leave them up now that we are conversing more normally.

Have a good evening, Joe.
 
like I said, it was not meant in a mean way, I mean I do think some of it is ridiculous, and I don't mean that in a nasty way either. When I bought my home theater equipment, I bought some pretty pricey speaker wire, got caught up in the look and claims of the wire, I'm guilty of some of the stuff I don't believe in. And some of the stuff I DO believe in. So some of us will bring up stuff we like, and others may say, Hey man, I think that's BS. That's cool, but never in a mean spirited way!
 
joebeadg said:
my point was people will b fine with a normal device, switch or receptacle, they won't burn you're house down
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"Normal" devices will certainly be fine for a while, maybe even forever with light loads and infrequent connection cycles.

But IME, and as related by others in this thread, receptacles can wear out with heavy usage. Obviously, poor installation choices accelerate degradation. And obviously, some receptacles are more wear resistant than others.

Spending an extra $5 or even $20 on a receptacle makes sense, from the standpoint that it may be an investment that will last a lifetime. As the vast majority of people will only need one receptacle for their sound system, that's a tiny, tiny investment. If a receptacle does wear out, it may do so in a manner that causes you and your family to lose all your possessions, and maybe your lives. At the very least, it may prevent damage to a much more expensive or rare power cord.

I've installed and replaced more receptacles, of more types, than I can remember. Many had suffered ridiculous abuse, yet were still energized and at least partially functioning. Other than perhaps GFCIs, there's no feature on standard 5-20R receps to self-test and self-disconnect if they develop a weak grip or loose connection. So putting in the most durable recep makes sense (unless next week it's going to again be full of water/dust/insects/ink/hydraulic oil/metal filings/weld spatter/forklift blades...).
 
yea china, I hear you, but I think a lot of it, its like a hobby, and I think going in to a purchase like that, might be done because its eyecandy, sexy looking device.Mostly those who spend big on that can afford to, it don't matter if it sounds different, its satisfying anyways. Like I say, I believe in some things, not all though
 
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