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petes'picks
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Sounds fun but my friends two 5 series were both very unreliable, seems they should be simplifying and focusing on reliability instead of adding more complexity. But in reality most people with $120k to spend on a car dont care much about what the avg person has to concern themselves with. 717hp? I cant even use all of my 260hp with traffic and speed limits.
Yeah, they will lease the thing and return it to BMW in 2 years. It's the poor dude who buys the pre-owned M5 who gets stuck with the repair bills.
twitch54
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Yeah, they will lease the thing and return it to BMW in 2 years. It's the poor dude who buys the pre-owned M5 who gets stuck with the repair bills.
well if he buys it 'CPO' he won't have to worry about a repair bill for three years .........
petes'picks
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Certified pre owned means nothing to me. Had a oil sending unit crap out on me and they said not covered. If they dont cover the circuit that takes the oil from the pan back to the head then its worthless, they always try to blame it on gasket or something not covered in the fine print. Thats my take and I am sticking to it and those aftermarket warranties are even worse, my brothers transmission crapped out a week after his used car purchase that he added extended warranty to and of course they blamed it on a "seal".
Blue Shadow
Waiting for Vintage Gear from this century
YYears avail. Model HP MSRP inflation
1984-1988 E28-156/186 $50000 adjusted
1989-1995 E34-311/335 $61105 --$65 --$57.8
1998-2003 E39-394 $69400 --$68.8 --$50.9
2004-2010 E60-500 $81200 --$79.8 --$51.3
2011-2016 F10-560/567/591 $91200 --$95K --$48.4
2017-2023 F90-617/626 $102600 --$103.6 --$50.9
2024- G90-717 $117900 --$132K --$45.7
Multiple HP ratings are for US/€ or Normal and special editions. Prices are MSRP for the 'base' model usually the first year available.
In the inflation adjusted, I took the E28 M5 and got a price for the first year of the new model in the first column
In the second column I took the price of the M5 in that line and backed calculated the price in 1988 dollars.
The new heavy 2024 is a hell of a deal. Cheapest of the price adjusted models. Remember the starting salaries have gone up over those years, too. Buyers are not used to 1985 prices and 1975 vintage stereo gear, don't generally live on social security or other fixed incomes.
I just can't see having something that heavy, personally.
That M5 weighs almost as much as my car and my pickup truck, combined...
The sheer stress on roads from increasingly heavier vehicles, has got to be increasing the costs of maintaining roads and bridges... contributing to the accelerated decay of infrastructure, at a time where we're already struggling to keep up with maintenance.
Regards,
Gordon.
That M5 weighs almost as much as my car and my pickup truck, combined...
The sheer stress on roads from increasingly heavier vehicles, has got to be increasing the costs of maintaining roads and bridges... contributing to the accelerated decay of infrastructure, at a time where we're already struggling to keep up with maintenance.
Regards,
Gordon.
BMWCCA
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BMW's new models, like this one, are one of the reasons I recently retired after over 45-years of selling BMW for a living.
I still own BMW cars from Isetta through BMW E39 5-series. I currently own two E28 535i/s, one E34 525i stick, and a low-mile perfect E39 525i Sport/Premium stick. My favorite is probably the E34, but an E28 will always make it to a vintage event each year. Consumer Reports called the E39 "the best automobile ever built" at one time. I honestly never warmed up to it's bulk and weight though it has been a good car. My wife's went well over 200,000 before we abandoned it and eventually sold it just last month. I've driven each M5 model since the beginning. My intro to the E39 M5 was when BMW left one for me at the Munich Airport for a test-drive-review that included a trip to the LeMans 24hr race. In my review I noted that it was a very competent, fast luxury car but was really not what I'd call an M5. They really haven't gotten any better since.
But then my daily driver is the smallest gasoline-powered BMW made in the past 40-years and the last with the normally-aspirated 6-cylinder inline engine and hydraulically boosted power-steering—and weighs in around 3,200 pounds. Long live my 2013 BMW 128i M-sport 6-speed-manual. I think of it as my modern replacement for my 2002tii but with nearly double the horsepower and working A/C. It has all the technology I'll ever need without a single touch-screen. And it's over a foot shorter than my E28 535is.
I've seldom met a BMW I didn't like, or at least appreciate—until recently. Speed and horsepower aren't everything. At least to me. My 70-hp air-cooled BMW bikes are as quick as I need to accelerate. I recently sold my 2002 R1150RS with fuel-injection, ABS and 6-speeds, but I'm much happier on my 40-year-old Airhead boxers.
I still own BMW cars from Isetta through BMW E39 5-series. I currently own two E28 535i/s, one E34 525i stick, and a low-mile perfect E39 525i Sport/Premium stick. My favorite is probably the E34, but an E28 will always make it to a vintage event each year. Consumer Reports called the E39 "the best automobile ever built" at one time. I honestly never warmed up to it's bulk and weight though it has been a good car. My wife's went well over 200,000 before we abandoned it and eventually sold it just last month. I've driven each M5 model since the beginning. My intro to the E39 M5 was when BMW left one for me at the Munich Airport for a test-drive-review that included a trip to the LeMans 24hr race. In my review I noted that it was a very competent, fast luxury car but was really not what I'd call an M5. They really haven't gotten any better since.
But then my daily driver is the smallest gasoline-powered BMW made in the past 40-years and the last with the normally-aspirated 6-cylinder inline engine and hydraulically boosted power-steering—and weighs in around 3,200 pounds. Long live my 2013 BMW 128i M-sport 6-speed-manual. I think of it as my modern replacement for my 2002tii but with nearly double the horsepower and working A/C. It has all the technology I'll ever need without a single touch-screen. And it's over a foot shorter than my E28 535is.
I've seldom met a BMW I didn't like, or at least appreciate—until recently. Speed and horsepower aren't everything. At least to me. My 70-hp air-cooled BMW bikes are as quick as I need to accelerate. I recently sold my 2002 R1150RS with fuel-injection, ABS and 6-speeds, but I'm much happier on my 40-year-old Airhead boxers.
BMW's philosophy has certainly changed since I owned the 2002Ti.BMW's new models, like this one, are one of the reasons I recently retired after over 45-years of selling BMW for a living.
I still own BMW cars from Isetta through BMW E39 5-series. I currently own two E28 535i/s, one E34 525i stick, and a low-mile perfect E39 525i Sport/Premium stick. My favorite is probably the E34, but an E28 will always make it to a vintage event each year. Consumer Reports called the E39 "the best automobile ever built" at one time. I honestly never warmed up to it's bulk and weight though it has been a good car. My wife's went well over 200,000 before we abandoned it and eventually sold it just last month. I've driven each M5 model since the beginning. My intro to the E39 M5 was when BMW left one for me at the Munich Airport for a test-drive-review that included a trip to the LeMans 24hr race. In my review I noted that it was a very competent, fast luxury car but was really not what I'd call an M5. They really haven't gotten any better since.
But then my daily driver is the smallest gasoline-powered BMW made in the past 40-years and the last with the normally-aspirated 6-cylinder inline engine and hydraulically boosted power-steering—and weighs in around 3,200 pounds. Long live my 2013 BMW 128i M-sport 6-speed-manual. I think of it as my modern replacement for my 2002tii but with nearly double the horsepower and working A/C. It has all the technology I'll ever need without a single touch-screen. And it's over a foot shorter than my E28 535is.
I've seldom met a BMW I didn't like, or at least appreciate—until recently. Speed and horsepower aren't everything. At least to me. My 70-hp air-cooled BMW bikes are as quick as I need to accelerate. I recently sold my 2002 R1150RS with fuel-injection, ABS and 6-speeds, but I'm much happier on my 40-year-old Airhead boxers.
Mine was dark blue.
BMWCCA
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Were you stationed in Germany at the time?
No worked high school summers with a mechanic from Germany. He had MB and BMW contacts from there.
I replaced the Solex carbs with Weber 40-DCOE (not the more popular 45-DCOE). I kept the original 121-cylinder head (small intake passageway). I'm so glad I did that, as the E12 Hemi head adds more top-end power, but the 121 gave the car crazy good off-idle acceleration. Stock cam and valves. 9.3:1 compression.
I wish I had kept that car, but I had to go through a smog referee to get my registration, as the car was never approved for US use. It was getting to be a pain when I got married and had kids.
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BMWCCA
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How did it get into the country in the first place?
I have no idea. The mechanic wanted a German Tii (fuel-injected), and someone told him about the Ti. It needed engine work, so I remember it being cheap. I took it. If I remember correctly, it was shipped from NY state. I rebuilt the engine over one summer.How did it get into the country in the first place?
Had all boxed-up Tii swing arms, Alpina springs, and Bilstein shocks. Three-piece BBS rims. But, the engine was toasted on the track when the oil filter spun off. Early BMW 2002 engines had this oil pressure relief valve that sometimes stuck wide open. High RPMs or cold starts oil pressure would sometimes spin off the filter. They changed that with the later E12 engines.
It was a great autocross car. I made two trips through Canada and the NW US (6000+ miles) with it. The Weber carbs on that engine were a perfect match. I could get almost 40 MPG on long highway stretches. Stop-and-go was terrible—15 MPG.
Several years later, a friend did a postdoc in Germany and then worked for a research group. He brought back a Porsche 959 Komfort. That car was crazy fast. He kept it for a year and then sold it. Maintenance, registration, and insurance were a nightmare.
It was red, and you know how the CHP seeks out fast red cars.
BMWCCA
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That was my point. The 2002ti was never imported to the USA by Hoffman, the official BMW importer in those days. Oh you could get one in. I drove one that the owner of the dealership in St. Louis had brought in. I also bought a '73 2002tii from him.
Blue Shadow
Waiting for Vintage Gear from this century
My BMWs came in through BMWNA in Jax. FL and to Performance Plus in Dania, FL for EPA/DOT mods needed. Not that you asked but I'm thinking both mine went to FL for entry into the US.
Blue Shadow
Waiting for Vintage Gear from this century
Sweet perk for your position. Always fun on the unlimited sections of the Autobahn.
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