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Cornwall II mods… are these good or bad?

@skeeterdav I saw that you’d inquired over at the other forum. Keep in mind that they have an orthodox agenda there regarding maintaining antiques and their answers will reflect that. We are not so burdened here. :beatnik: I how you grab them, i think you’ll find them to be quite enjoyable.
Maintaining the PURITY of those antiques.:bowdown:
 
Sorry Dave, but an unmolested pair of Klipsch will maintain their value, modded will not. I always tell people to keep their original parts.

If you’ve ever seen a very nice pair of Klipschorns from the 50s or 60s, It’s kind of cool not to see the entire top section ripped out.
 
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Never saw anything in this thread regarding what drivers or networks are running in these Cornwalls. I continually see people running different drivers, horns and networks together like they’re interchangeable - they’re not.
 
Sorry Dave, but an unmolested pair of Klipsch will maintain their value, modded will not. I always tell people to keep their original parts.

If you’ve ever seen a very nice pair of Klipschorns from the 50s or 60s, It’s kind of cool not to see the entire top section ripped out.
Hey I don't argue with that and all the things I do to old Klipsch is reversible for that reason. I always swap tweeters out but never alter motorboards for resale reasons. If I wanted to hack and whack I collect all the CAD data for a particular cabinet and would build from scratch. Using real Baltic Birch plywood of course.

I was referring to those who maintain speakers should never be molested with change from the OEM version.

I have a limit to what I will do before I conclude that particular speaker will never be what I want and look further. I went with all Klipsch pro gear some time ago as it was the only thing that really worked for me and I could leave them stock except for crossover recaps. That set of MCM-1900's I had almost filled that itch except for the bass not going low enough for me to sit next to the big organ pipes. The Super MWM does fill my needs but I had to make them not buy them.

I have been tempted to buy old crossovers from the 50's just because they do look cool and since they were singles actually pretty cheap. Then they could sit on a shelf and collect dust like everything else around here.
 
@skeeterdav, I did the same thing a several years ago (twice) and whether it was Barenek’s law or not I quite liked the result.

The first mod was on a pair of CW2s wherein I only switched out the mid horns. There is better alignment of the drivers with the shorter K-61 horn so that is a factor. The actual mid driver is the same on the two horns, same motor. Only the coverage of the lenses is different, slightly less forward, or more neutral, may be the best way to describe it. Tractrix vs. exponential.

At the time I had been searching unsuccessfully for two years to find a pair of Chorus 2s to try, but north of the border things are scarce so I took a knife to my Cornwall 2s. I regretted doing it later, but the newest Cornwall 4 looks more similar than different.

I sold them about a year later to finance my first purchase of actual Chorus 2s.

A few years later I did it again when I got a good deal on some final run beater CWs with the B-3 crossover. At that point I had acquired Crites cast frame woofers and Kappa 15Cs and since I had K-48s from the Chorus 2s I experimented with all of them.

I preferred any woofer over the (venerable) K-33, …still do.

Even though the Kappa 15C has a very low Xmax compared to the others it worked extremely well in the Cornwall box. I had to dial my 110w/ch Onkyo to 11 with the bass cranked up to get the woofers to even move. Very tight, articulate and clean. I don’t think the K-33s play any lower than the Kappa 15Cs, they just sound that way because the upper bass rolls off sooner.

The Crites cast frame gets the nod though, they instantly realized an audible improved low end response not possible with the K-33s. Later I tried Dave Ault’s LMAHLs in them for the cherry on top. In the picture below the tweeters are the K-107-Ti, but I didn’t care for them in that application. Maybe if I had attenuated them a couple dB.

I still have the second pair. Down the road they WILL get the ZXPC 18x10 / PRV D2200Ph combo, but that’s another story, it will require cutting a new motorboard.

I played around with Chorus 2, Cornwall 2, and even Forte 2 (because I had them) crossovers, but always came back to the B-3s. Not sure exactly why, but the B-3 sounded right to me even though I wanted to like the Chorus 2 boards.

Here’s the thing though, as others have mentioned, it’s a tight market for modified products. I had no trouble selling my pair once the buyer heard them, but others may not be open enough to even listen. Those are a good price for what, subjectively, I would say is a better sounding speaker than a stock Cornwall 2.

Where are you located “rustneversleeps” ?
This is amazing information, thank you!

I think I’m gonna do it. I’m in southern Arizona, where unfortunately Klipsch don’t come up for sale too often. Will keep everyone posted on if I am able to get them this weekend :D
 
You may get used to it, I did. Then I had some La Scalas here for a while and the Cornwalls started to seem small. ;)
For a while, a pair of heavily modded Chorus clones were my endgame, because Cornwalls were too damn big for my space, then i heard a pair of LaScala and it was all over. You learn to live with them and tell yourself lies. ;)
 
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I won't say they were bad but the Cornwall was discontinued after the Model II came out. We had ordered 3 pair and we had to basically give them away at our Spring demonstrator sale. They were horribly bright and hard sounding to me compared to the older original Cornwalls. When Klipsch put in a new 3rd ordered crossover in the model 1 to protect the T-35 Tweeter they became a bit bright, but nothing horrid. Between that crossover and the predominant midrange and the new ceramic tweeter with metal diaphragm the MK II wasn't my favorite. Yes everyone was building brighter speakers. But conservatives who were mostly our Klipsch , Bozak, Altec and JBL customers really shied away and Only Bozaks seem to carry on until people didn't want large floor standing speakers. Power was cheap with the horse power wars going on. So big speakers just weren't popular any more. The Forte had come along with almost the same performance in a much smaller and cheaper presentation, which also help stop our Cornwall sales as I remember. The Belle went away too. If I were looking for Klispch Heritage speakers I would still prefer a Belle over a La Scala. I never really liked the big horn of the Klipschorn and La Scala. By the way the new Cornwall IV is the best speaker Klipsch makes right now for the money. Of course it will be 12 weeks before I get to here a pair of Jubilees! Then I reserve the right to change my mind.

Then as other have said the Chorus came along in their some where, but we didn't order any for some reason. I think it was the salesmen and VP of sales didn't like the horn being so close to the floor. Because we never had any I don't know where they fit in the time line. Maybe they are the ones that killed the Cornwall sales and not the Forte.
 
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