Does 180 gram really sound any better?

I agree with everyone, a flimsy record can sound just as good as a 180 gram vinyl.

Although I've heard that the heavier record will transmit less vibrations to the stylus. Makes sense, does anyone know if this is true?

Of course, that's irrelevant when you have a decent turntable that will damp vibrations anyway.
 
As others stated, just because an album has a sticker on it saying "180g premium vinyl" doesn't mean a thing. I've gotten some reissues that sounded so horrible I returned them, supposedly "audiophile 180g vinyl." The marketers have found their ploy, and investing in a handful more of vinyl pellets means "audiophile" on an otherwise crap pressing. On the other hand, truly great reissues like the Music Matters Blue Note 45 rpm pressings are inevitably on 180g vinyl, so don't simply dismiss it as total hype. It's just not definitive on its own.

Then there's the 200g argument -- more prone to warping? The 200g pressings I own are great -- Big Star's #1 Record from Classic Records, and a Japanese pressing of Introducing Johnny Griffin. It's all a bit maddening at times, this vinyl pursuit.
 
Thicker doesn't always mean better just like higher riced gear isn't always better. I have a few 180's and 200's. Do they sound better, IMHO, I don't see it. Now on the other hand, those 45RPM LP's sound absolutely Fanfreakintastic!!
 
I only buy "Oxygen Free" vinyl and then I have to wait until it "burns in"
before it sounds good. :lmao:

Just make sure you always play it in the same direction - turning clockwise, stylus moving counter-clockwise vis-a-vis the record. If you play it backwards, you'll have to play it the right way again for a few dozen repetitions, to make it right again.

I'm waiting for them to release Beryllium vinyl records, backed with maple wood.

Thicker doesn't always mean better just like higher riced gear isn't always better. I have a few 180's and 200's. Do they sound better, IMHO, I don't see it. Now on the other hand, those 45RPM LP's sound absolutely Fanfreakintastic!!


I think the idea that thicker vinyl affects vibrations travelling within the record is plausible. The thickness of the record should make a difference. The way vibrations travel from (and/or reflect towards) the stylus-groove interface affects sound. Otherwise, things like platter mats and platter material and mass wouldn't make much difference.

BUT many other things have a MUCH bigger impact than record weight/thickness. The quality of the recording (mastering), pressing, etc... is more important. Given that you have a vinyl record atop other stuff (mat, platter, etc...), and grooves and cartridges and tonearms and wires and systems and many other things that have a bigger impact on the sound, the relative thickness of the vinyl record itself may be of relatively little importance; so little that we cannot ordinarily hear what difference it might make. Other differences "swamp" it, in comparison.

Probably the only way to really know what difference record weight makes would be to make two pressings from exactly the same stamper, etc... but with different weights of vinyl. Then compare their sound on a single system. Repeatedly doing this with different samples might indicate a difference.

Another interesting test would be to make the difference in thickness more extreme. What if a record were 1 inch thick, and weighed a few hundred grams? Would it sound much different? That would suggest how record thickness affects sound, by exaggerating the difference in thicknesses.

I've seen platter mats made from record-material vinyl, and DIY platters made from old records melted/pressed/glued together (the last option introduces another factor, CLD - not really relevant here). The idea behind these is that using the same material (vinyl) will lead vibrations away from the stylus-groove interface more smoothly and readily, since it is the same material as the record. I'm not sure if this thinking is wholly valid, or if it is mostly "marketing hype", like the whole "180 gram" marketing phenomenon.

But even if it makes no audible difference, I like to have as many variables as I can pushed towards better sound, as far as I can reasonably push them. ALL ELSE EQUAL (to the extent that it is possible), I'd prefer a heavier record to a lighter one. But I've got some great recordings that are thin and light, and some mediocre ones on heavy vinyl, so I know that the weight of the record is a minor factor in sound quality, at best.

There is also a completely subjective feel to this: I LIKE the feel of a heavy, solid record. The greater stiffness and heft of it "feels like" higher quality, when taking it out of the jacket and putting it on the platter. That's a nice feeling, which --even if it actually has no impact upon what I hear-- might have some psycho-acoustical influence (?).
 
If the warpage is caused during the manufacturing process itself then the vinyl thickness isn't going to matter. I would suggest that if the record is properly heated, pressed and cooled then a thicker record should be less prone to warpage. I haven't personally bought a warped 180g LP yet and if I did I'd return it. I did have one that had flaw and it was returned and replaced with no problem. Of those that have commented on warped or bad 180g pressings, I'd be interested to hear if there are certain labels and dealers that do and don't stand behind their product.
My feeling is that the quality issues with new vinyl aren't necessarily about unscrupulous opportunism, but sheer production pressure on antiquated and skilled-labor intensive manufacturing facilities working 3 shifts. The record boom is akin to having a slide rule or sun dial boom and going from handfuls to millions of units almost overnight. Fellow 180g reissue vinyl fans this is a good problem to have and if the customer service is there more often than not, then it's just growing pains.
 
it seems that buying new vinyl is a hit or miss propostion.

so is buying old vinyl.

i prefer buying old vinyl because if it sounds bad i'm only out the pocket change i paid for it

new vinyl can get pretty expensive.

IMO:
it seems to me that if you are getting warped and noisy or poorly presed lp's from some of the suppliers,
you might as well just send them cheques for the album then forget about it alltogether.
save youself the postage and the audio anguish as as well.

IMO:
when an industry as a whole deliberatly misleads (lies to) their customers
by declaring their product to be something it is not,
or draws parallels between unrelated attributes,
eg: heavier weight = "audiophile",
they don't deserve my support and money.

some might have different experiences and other opinions.

art
 
Folks,

The only difference between 180 gram vinyl and thinner is the weight. And for best results, the 180 gram vinyl needs to be pressed by hand. 140 G is ideal weight for automatic pressing machines due to their heating/cooling cycle times. Now the mastering and quality control make most of the difference and the quality of vinyl compounds used.
 
it seems that buying new vinyl is a hit or miss propostion.

so is buying old vinyl.

i prefer buying old vinyl because if it sounds bad i'm only out the pocket change i paid for it

new vinyl can get pretty expensive.

IMO:
it seems to me that if you are getting warped and noisy or poorly presed lp's from some of the suppliers,
you might as well just send them cheques for the album then forget about it alltogether.
save youself the postage and the audio anguish as as well.

IMO:
when an industry as a whole deliberatly misleads (lies to) their customers
by declaring their product to be something it is not,
or draws parallels between unrelated attributes,
eg: heavier weight = "audiophile",
they don't deserve my support and money.

some might have different experiences and other opinions.

art

This. Don't get me started on the whole digitally sourced vinyl scam either! :no:
 
Now, don't dismiss good quality re-pressings of older releases. I just picked up a re-release of "Smokin' at the Half Note", an Wes Montgomery album originally released in 1965. This album is put out by Sundazed, and they typically do a terrific job on their pressings.
 
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