Early Sony Receiver Series Question

One thing you can do for all the units that do not have the FTC mandated (Nov 1974) power ratings is indicate that they are not FTC and let those that enjoy your work to decide for themselves what that means.

I have seen some power ratings that take 6-8 lines to discuss all the possibilities.

MSRP
6060=399.50
6120=699.50
6060FW=399.50
6050=279.95
All from Sony price list and full line list from about 1969. They are not dated but I bought a TA-2000 in May of 1970 that is included in these documents.
 
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Hi jwhvt,

Nice work, love it. I went trough my stock pile of Sony manuals to check against your latest table, and below a list of manual which:

- either aren't listed
- or to confirm issue date of service manual (always printed on bottom of last page of the manual for post 1973 manuals; pre-1973 manuals have date often on right corner of large fold-out schematic)

Many others I have are as per your table (but not issued for multiple years...)

There are dedicated 'L' series, which I thought for long time it meant long wave (LW) reception, but then I have seen 'L' series which had no LW, so....

Many 'SD' modes have a non-SD model (but there is no rule)

Small remark:Sony's official notification is a '-' between STR and model number.

1968 STR-6050
1968 STR-6060FW
1971 STR-6036
1971 STR-6045L
1971 STR-6046
1971 STR-7065
1973 STR-6036A
1974 STR-700
1975 STR-7015
1975 STR-7025L
1976 STR-4800
1977 STR-3800L
1978 STR-232L
1978 STR-313L
1978 STR-414L
1978 STR-6045
1978 STR-V3L
1978 STR-V4L
1978 STR-V5
1978 STR-V6
1979 STR-V1
1979 STR-414L
1980 STR-V45L
1980 STR-V55
1981 STR-S5L

EDIT: after 1980, Sony issued so many models per year, with so many variants across continents, it's almost impossible to make a realistic list (count 50+ models a year)
 
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Thanks Blue Shadow. Updated table with these MSRPs.

MSRP
6060=399.50
6120=699.50
6060FW=399.50
6050=279.95
All from Sony price list and full line list from about 1969. They are not dated but I bought a TA-2000 in May of 1970 that is included in these documents.


Oilmaster... thanks for the manual information. Are these Service or Owner's Manuals?

I updated the date range table. "M" means date for non "L" series, "ML" date for "L" series manual.

Some of them I wasn't sure what to do with...

  • STR-6045 dated 1978. I'm pretty sure the 6045 was no longer offered in 1978.
  • Several models I don't recognize: 700, 232L, 313L, 414L, etc. Maybe these were not offerred in the US market (?)
I went trough my stock pile of Sony manuals to check against your latest table, and below a list of manual which:

- either aren't listed
- or to confirm issue date of service manual (always printed on bottom of last page of the manual for post 1973 manuals; pre-1973 manuals have date often on right corner of large fold-out schematic)

I also thought the "L" series stood for Long Wave... again, maybe it refers to non-US offerings?
There are dedicated 'L' series, which I thought for long time it meant long wave (LW) reception, but then I have seen 'L' series which had no LW, so....

Maybe I should break out SD models separately but I was concentrating more on the very early models. If I find out when a particular model transitioned from nonSD to SD (Dolby), I can update the table.
Many 'SD' modes have a non-SD model (but there is no rule)

Just trying to conserve space!
Small remark:Sony's official notification is a '-' between STR and model number.



And finally, Click here to access the Google Doc itself. Hopefully I've made it "Read Only" but I could add people as collaborators who could then update the file directly.
 
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Are these Service or Owner's Manuals
Service manuals.

I also thought the "L" series stood for Long Wave... again, maybe it refers to non-US offerings?
It seems that the 'L' is indeed indicating a different market region. Sony always writes market region(s) on the cover of the service manuals. But I can't check the 'L' manuals at this moment, as I'm located in Japan while most of my service manual collection is stored back home in Europe.

STR-6045 dated 1978. I'm pretty sure the 6045 was no longer offered in 1978.
I tend to agree with you. I took the dates from my excell file which I complete when I receive new manuals, before filing them. I might have mistyped the year. Again, can't check that manual for the moment.

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Several models I don't recognize: 700, 232L, 313L, 414L, etc. Maybe these were not offerred in the US market (?)
Well I'll have the SM, so they exist. Same story, I could check on cover page the marker region, but have no access to them.

Note on the L-models, I would break them out from the non-L models, as they are sometimes (not always) different hardware inside.

SD indicates Stereo-Dolby. Not sure if it references only to using Dolby's proprietary noise reduction/filtering technology, ot that it indicated multi-channel (4 channel) reception. 4-channel radio was used for some years in the 70's in Japan, and I think also in the US. But it was killed off in the end.
 
Now if we could just get others to step forward to do the other brands, different components and such we could generate one heck of a database of vintage gear. The orion guide would be a good start as to models and dates (taken with a grain of salt for sure) but it would be nice to have such a spreadsheet.
 
Damn! There was a 6850.

The 6800, although ergonomically challenging, has a good sound and a very good tuner.

Although I haven't figured out when it was available, the STR-6850 looks to have been from a completely different line than the STR6800SD.

I agree with you about the 6800SD though... "ergonomically challenging" but nice sounding.

STR6850.jpg
 
My understanding of the 6060 series is the STR-6060 had the same front end as the ST-5000 tuner while the STR-6060F/FW had the later ST-5000F/FW front end and the cumulative production run changes incorporated into the STR-6060. There are 2 theories as to the difference between the first and FW. The first was the FW was the F packaged with the wood cabinet. The model came with the 2 boxes and could be separated by the dealer or left combined allowing a way of discounting from the requirement that Sony could not be discounted. I was not observant back then but remember Cramer would get the same number of 6060s and cabinets with each order. The company did not do the same with other companies and even Sony models that optioned the wood cabinets.

The second was the FW had circuit changes to better conform to the new FTC rating system. When it came in many companies had problems as the amps tested rather embarrassingly. I do not have the SM anymore for the 6060/F/FW so can not confirm.

The 6060, 6120 and, 6200 are an amazing trio of receivers and honestly and I honestly I can only think of the Marantz 18 and 19 for an alternative company putting out such high quality receivers sequentially.

I had the 6060 at the same time as the 6120 so could compare and it was a tossup for me which I liked better. Each had its sonic advantage and the build quality of the 6060 is amazing, we'll up to the best ever assembled. The 6120 in some was built on the 6060 as to design, look at the tone controls for instance but build quality showed some pullback such as reduced shielding. Soundwise the 6060 is more Mc classic tube sound than the 6120 that showed movement from that voicing but not all the way to the classic Sony SS sonics of the 6200 and later receivers. I found I tended to listen to the 6060 more than the 6120. However the 3 (yes, I had 3) 6060s went to a single buyer who wanted them so, the 6120 won by default.

I had not heard a 6200 in years but the receiver owned longer than any other is a 6065. The 6065 as good as it is and it is very good, dicing the much vaulted Marantz 2270 IMHO easily missed the mark compared to the 6120. It in absolute terms is a very good receiver but simply outclassed in almost every way by the 6120. I finally had a short time to try a reworked 6200 against the 6120 that also had been gone through. Tuner to tuner, I found no difference nor with the phono preamp. So, it boiled down to the preamp and power amp. As they can not be separated they can not be individually tested except as a complete unit. I can easily see why people who have tested both can favor one over the other and some have the same quandary I did with the 6060 and 6120.

The 6200 with its direct coupled amp moves the sound towards the Pioneer side of the scale, faster, somewhat more air, more analytical. You could say more towards the perceived sound of typical ss amps. The 6120 with its cap coupled output seems a bit slower, not as analytical and somewhat less detailed. Seems like I am knocking the 6120 but, I am not. It is for me the better of the two. I find the 6120 is like listening to an acoustic piano vs the 6200 that reminds me of listening to an electronic keyboard piano. I found the 6200 did better with rock, etc. While the 6120 did better with acoustic instruments, classical and jazz with the speakers we used. I did not test the 6200 against the 6065 but to me it sounded like a better 6065 while the 6120 was a better 6060.

Right now I am still downsizing. The 6120 is still here running up against the Philips 797 but Philips did such a poor packaging job, the Sony wins on looks by a mile. It does count for something. Up against both is my little Sherwood S9500c amps and S3300 tuner. Half the power, much smaller, less complex under the hood and right up there sonically. I suspect it will come down to the Sony and Sherwoods in the end with the final decision being based on the speakers I end up with.

A problem with Sony model numbering is depending on the country a model may be in the catalog, not introduced yet or kept in while in other locales It has been replaced. Some units obsoleted in the US were still marketed in Japan for years after and some variants such as those with smooth knobs in some countries were supplanted with models with different suffixes and knurled knobs. Sony seemed very responsive to differing market trends. So, be a might careful using non-US catalogs, etc. In pulling the data together as you are doing so for the US market.

Additionally Sony like some other companies had different model for different distribution systems. But, it did not use different branding such as Panasonic and Technics and Marantz and Superscope. Hence, in a model year you will units with what appears to be overlapping markets such as the STR-3600 and STR-6045. The former was for companies such as BuyRite while the STR-6045 where for the audio salons.

Just my 2 pennies worth on the subject.
 
STR-6065 service manuals

http://www.hifiengine.com/library/sony/str-6065.shtml
(Pics photocopied and poor traces but good legible layout and printing.)

IMO that amp is a good candidate for recapping with quality caps. (if the tuner works fine don't touch that section.)

I saved a copy of the manuals for myself even though I don't own one. Anybody interested in a good explanation of how many circuits work? This is very well written.
 
Very interesting write-up from someone who has obviously had a lot of experience with the 6060/6120/6200 models. Thanks! Either the 6060 and 6120 are on my "hope-to-own-one-day" list. Out of curiousity, how do the lower power units (6040 and 6050) compare to the 6060 soundwise or is the 6060 just in a totally different league?

As for the Sony series table, it's pretty much a dormant project for me now although I'd be happy to correct any blatant errors anybody sees.

Google doc link: Can people access this link? I don't have much experience with sharing Google docs.


My understanding of the 6060 series is the STR-6060 had the same front end as the ST-5000 tuner while the STR-6060F/FW had the later ST-5000F/FW front end and the cumulative production run changes incorporated into the STR-6060. There are 2 theories as to the difference between the first and FW. The first was the FW was the F packaged with the wood cabinet. The model came with the 2 boxes and could be separated by the dealer or left combined allowing a way of discounting from the requirement that Sony could not be discounted. I was not observant back then but remember Cramer would get the same number of 6060s and cabinets with each order. The company did not do the same with other companies and even Sony models that optioned the wood cabinets.

The second was the FW had circuit changes to better conform to the new FTC rating system. When it came in many companies had problems as the amps tested rather embarrassingly. I do not have the SM anymore for the 6060/F/FW so can not confirm.

The 6060, 6120 and, 6200 are an amazing trio of receivers and honestly and I honestly I can only think of the Marantz 18 and 19 for an alternative company putting out such high quality receivers sequentially.

I had the 6060 at the same time as the 6120 so could compare and it was a tossup for me which I liked better. Each had its sonic advantage and the build quality of the 6060 is amazing, we'll up to the best ever assembled. The 6120 in some was built on the 6060 as to design, look at the tone controls for instance but build quality showed some pullback such as reduced shielding. Soundwise the 6060 is more Mc classic tube sound than the 6120 that showed movement from that voicing but not all the way to the classic Sony SS sonics of the 6200 and later receivers. I found I tended to listen to the 6060 more than the 6120. However the 3 (yes, I had 3) 6060s went to a single buyer who wanted them so, the 6120 won by default.

I had not heard a 6200 in years but the receiver owned longer than any other is a 6065. The 6065 as good as it is and it is very good, dicing the much vaulted Marantz 2270 IMHO easily missed the mark compared to the 6120. It in absolute terms is a very good receiver but simply outclassed in almost every way by the 6120. I finally had a short time to try a reworked 6200 against the 6120 that also had been gone through. Tuner to tuner, I found no difference nor with the phono preamp. So, it boiled down to the preamp and power amp. As they can not be separated they can not be individually tested except as a complete unit. I can easily see why people who have tested both can favor one over the other and some have the same quandary I did with the 6060 and 6120.

The 6200 with its direct coupled amp moves the sound towards the Pioneer side of the scale, faster, somewhat more air, more analytical. You could say more towards the perceived sound of typical ss amps. The 6120 with its cap coupled output seems a bit slower, not as analytical and somewhat less detailed. Seems like I am knocking the 6120 but, I am not. It is for me the better of the two. I find the 6120 is like listening to an acoustic piano vs the 6200 that reminds me of listening to an electronic keyboard piano. I found the 6200 did better with rock, etc. While the 6120 did better with acoustic instruments, classical and jazz with the speakers we used. I did not test the 6200 against the 6065 but to me it sounded like a better 6065 while the 6120 was a better 6060.

Right now I am still downsizing. The 6120 is still here running up against the Philips 797 but Philips did such a poor packaging job, the Sony wins on looks by a mile. It does count for something. Up against both is my little Sherwood S9500c amps and S3300 tuner. Half the power, much smaller, less complex under the hood and right up there sonically. I suspect it will come down to the Sony and Sherwoods in the end with the final decision being based on the speakers I end up with.

A problem with Sony model numbering is depending on the country a model may be in the catalog, not introduced yet or kept in while in other locales It has been replaced. Some units obsoleted in the US were still marketed in Japan for years after and some variants such as those with smooth knobs in some countries were supplanted with models with different suffixes and knurled knobs. Sony seemed very responsive to differing market trends. So, be a might careful using non-US catalogs, etc. In pulling the data together as you are doing so for the US market.

Additionally Sony like some other companies had different model for different distribution systems. But, it did not use different branding such as Panasonic and Technics and Marantz and Superscope. Hence, in a model year you will units with what appears to be overlapping markets such as the STR-3600 and STR-6045. The former was for companies such as BuyRite while the STR-6045 where for the audio salons.

Just my 2 pennies worth on the subject.
 
Hey All,
I was so happy with my STR-6065 that I actually got a little angry. I paid $80 for it and two lightbubls later it was damn near almost as good as my pioneer sx-1980. Uhhh, I mean it was the worst ever nobody should ever buy one.:thmbsp:
Anyways, I lucked into a str-6120 (not quite working...) that seems like it's in time warp condition inside. Every single electrolytic cap is dried out after 40 years of living in a box. Not even dusty.
Anyways, this mint unit is missing a case. I want this to be my man-cave rig and the case is something I really want. Does anyone know if the cases are interchangeable between models? What other cases would fit on this one?
 
Hey All,
I was so happy with my STR-6065 that I actually got a little angry. I paid $80 for it and two lightbubls later it was damn near almost as good as my pioneer sx-1980. Uhhh, I mean it was the worst ever nobody should ever buy one.:thmbsp:
Anyways, I lucked into a str-6120 (not quite working...) that seems like it's in time warp condition inside. Every single electrolytic cap is dried out after 40 years of living in a box. Not even dusty.
Anyways, this mint unit is missing a case. I want this to be my man-cave rig and the case is something I really want. Does anyone know if the cases are interchangeable between models? What other cases would fit on this one?

The 6120 is larger than the 6065 and the models below. It shares dimensions with the 6200.
 
Hey All,
I was so happy with my STR-6065 that I actually got a little angry. I paid $80 for it and two lightbubls later it was damn near almost as good as my pioneer sx-1980. Uhhh, I mean it was the worst ever nobody should ever buy one.:thmbsp:
Anyways, I lucked into a str-6120 (not quite working...) that seems like it's in time warp condition inside. Every single electrolytic cap is dried out after 40 years of living in a box. Not even dusty.
Anyways, this mint unit is missing a case. I want this to be my man-cave rig and the case is something I really want. Does anyone know if the cases are interchangeable between models? What other cases would fit on this one?

Yes, STR6200. Also believe the STC7000 preamp/tuner and maybe the 5000 tuner. These units used a bigger chassis than all later units but, maybe the STR7800 and V7 as I have had these side by side with the STR6120. These big chassis Sonys were a beast but, needed to be.

Making a sleeve or the 3-piece wood cover should not be too difficult for someone with some wood working experience. Check with Merrylander as he has been a go to guy for fabricating wood cases and sleeve for a number of us and his work is excellent. He may have made one as it seems Sony owners are about as focused a group on dressing up units as any.

The 6120 dressed up sure is pretty!!! I love the looks of mine and even the wood sleeved 6045 I have kicking around.

I once spoke with a custom kitchen cabinet builder about making cases and he said he had done his units and he could,distribution knock them out easily so, you could also inquire locally. Another source may be a local school that offers wood shop classes. The students tend to like projects other than a stool and would,distribution probably jump at a chance to do one.
 
Brian; I think Merrylander has totally retired now from making cases, and or doing repairs, at least that's the impression I got. Can't hurt to ask him tho.

Larry
 
I just picked up a STR-6040. I love the look and it sounds pretty damn nice but then I'm easy to please at this point (My other receiver died). I'm still on a huge learning curve regarding early receivers but learning quickly. All I know is my dad had/has some cool Sh*t and I want it lol. came with the manual but I didn't see any date of manufacture but I read in another post these were made in 1969. I'm running Klipsch KG1 speakers playing vinyl through my Pioneer PL-115 TT.
 
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Hi folks,
I'm new around this site but was into audio many years ago. My daughter recently moved out so I have a room back and have been checking around for receivers lately. I had never thought about a vintage Sony but after reading a lot of comments I'm very interested to check one out. I've located a Sony STR-6040 with the wood case (which is beautiful) for around $100 and wondered if that sounds like a good price. I've got a pair of EPI 100's and also some Wharfdale Diamond 5's but I'm thinking the EPI's would be the best match. Hopefully this is the right place to post and if not, I'm never apposed to a little guidance. Thanks.
 
The STR-6040 has the old(er)-school kind of output amplifier stage, meaning a single power rail design with a big output coupling capacitor, and the transistors are far from modern performances (i.e. curved characteristics). When decently recapped (a real must for these units), it makes up for a good-old warm analogue sounding amp.

But a decent recap (replacement of electrolytic capacitors) is a real must for these late 60's / early 70's units!
Count around $50 in parts for that.

$100 might be a fair price if the wood case is mint, and the volume pot not gulling.
If the volume pot is done (worn-out), then subs might be found with guidance from here.

The phono amp stage is a basic level circuit, and probably with a little background noise due to the aging stock transistors.
If you intend to use the phono stage, then a more thorough renovation of the phono amp stage might (will) be required (transistors and small-value capacitors)

Refinish that wood case with high gloss varnish, polish it up, and it will look fabulous
 
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