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Empire Thread of Inductance & Resistance for 2000 style bodies
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russdall
An Uprooted Oklahoman
Yeah, I was going to say, "Picture or you don't have it."
And, I bet it will sound a bit better with a stylus.
Doug
You funny man Doug.......This thing is dead quiet without a stylus...no hiss,buzz or popping of any kind
cmarti
Well-Known Member
I own one of these, scored a NOS original purple stylus. The 999VE/X and the 1000ZE/X are the same body electrically BTW. I have the 1000ZE/X with it's matching original NOS stylus installed on my Yamaha PX-3
Doug G.
Lunatic Member
OK, I figured I ought to post this here, too:
2000 E/III from 1976 (separate gold metal guard, gold sticker on stylus grip) - 247mH - left, 255mH - right
2000 E/III later with flip-down guard - 647mH - left, 655mH - right.
EDIT: "uH" corrected to "mH" in above measurements. Thanks for the notification I had it wrong, fellow member!
My only lame excuse is I have been working on my Heathkits, lately, and I make notes of all repairs, changes I make in them and have been writing uF a lot, replacing caps.
Doug
2000 E/III from 1976 (separate gold metal guard, gold sticker on stylus grip) - 247mH - left, 255mH - right
2000 E/III later with flip-down guard - 647mH - left, 655mH - right.
EDIT: "uH" corrected to "mH" in above measurements. Thanks for the notification I had it wrong, fellow member!
My only lame excuse is I have been working on my Heathkits, lately, and I make notes of all repairs, changes I make in them and have been writing uF a lot, replacing caps.
Doug
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More information for the group:
999ZEX
Inductance: R 327mH, L 324mH
Resistance: R 532 Ohms, L 549 Ohms
999ZEX
Inductance: R 327mH, L 324mH
Resistance: R 532 Ohms, L 549 Ohms
I should have asked this on the first page. The thread is for 2000 bodies, so just what does that encompass? I have a 2000Z which I posted early and it seems to have an odd inductance.
cmarti
Well-Known Member
Just ordered a 2000 E/III not sure the year it was made as it comes with an aftermarket stylus. Also got a Philanstein "Made by Empire" stylus for the 2000 E/III which have a flip down stylus cover. I hope they are a good match, the stylus tip is not nude like the Empire manual claim them to be. I find that odd.
doctor fuse
Super Member
Is the manual over at vinylengine.com for the 2000 E/III, for a later iteration? The specs are different than the usual ones you see (frequency response, 20-20,000 Hz, +/-2dB, vs 5-35,000Hz; Channel Separation, 200~500Hz, 20dB, 500~15,000Hz, 28dB, 15k~20kHz, 20dB, vs. 35dB, output voltage, 4.5mV vs. 5mV).
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/empire/2000.shtml
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/empire/2000.shtml
cmarti
Well-Known Member
Following up, took a chance and glad I did. The cartridge matches perfectly with the stylus, the sound is perfect, the bass is solid and highs are not sibilant.
Photos: https://imgur.com/gallery/u7ZVa6c
russdall
An Uprooted Oklahoman
Sweet !!
Just arrived today, 1000ZE/X body. Resistance R 711 Ohms, L 705 Ohms. Inductance, R 643mH, L 609mH.
Now, the question is which stylus can I use? I have an aftermarket 999TE/X.
Now, the question is which stylus can I use? I have an aftermarket 999TE/X.
cmarti
Well-Known Member
I don't think so, because the TE/X body is the same as the SE/X and PE/X. Now you can use the VE/X stylus on your ZE/X body with perfect results.
Thank you both. I have depressed highs so maybe a bit of brightness will sound good to me.
BTW, I don't have a 999VE/X stylus.
BTW, I don't have a 999VE/X stylus.
russdall
An Uprooted Oklahoman
Nice Grainger.......I found this Walco on da-bay that sounds pretty decent with really nice boomin' bass, for not much cash.
Google search ;
NEW WALCO W-526STDE FOR AUDIO EMPIRE 999 CARTRIDGES ELLIPTICAL TIP DIAMOND NEEDL
Post a pic when ya get a chance.
I also see that Gary has a EVG for 27 bucks......
Google search ;
NEW WALCO W-526STDE FOR AUDIO EMPIRE 999 CARTRIDGES ELLIPTICAL TIP DIAMOND NEEDL
Post a pic when ya get a chance.
I also see that Gary has a EVG for 27 bucks......
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desertrat748
Super Member
I guess it’s good to get all the bodies measured and posted in here.
And as far as the 2000Z, I think it is its own dog. Thinking that empire had to get some voltage going with the tiny iron bits and such low moving mass. A little more windings and those laminate poles to help??
Doug G.
Lunatic Member
Here are the specs from my original 2000 E/III from 1976 as printed in the accompanying user instructions:
Frequency Response- 10-28,000 Hz +/- 2 dB
Output Voltage per Channel @ 3.54 cm/sec rms groove velocity - 3.5 mV
Channel Separation
20 - 10 kHz - 35 dB
10 kHz-20 kHz = 20 dB
Tracking Force in Grams - .75 - 1.5
Stylus Tip - .2 X.7 mil. elliptical diamond
This is for my 2000 E/III with a lower inductance as listed in my previous post.
Specs have a tendency to vary all over the place depending on source and period in time.
Doug
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desertrat748
Super Member
That’s some awesome stereo separation and I don’t doubt that the specs you show are close. I know that NS (former AK member ) tested out my blob stylus and showed 36+ dB separation.
Doug G.
Lunatic Member
I believe that great separation is the cause for Empire reputation of openness, spaciousness, airiness, and detail you hear talk about.
Now I have to try to find the specs, as supplied with the actual product, for my later and evidently more typical 2000 E/III with the higher inductance. I may have that saved, somewhere.
Doug
Now I have to try to find the specs, as supplied with the actual product, for my later and evidently more typical 2000 E/III with the higher inductance. I may have that saved, somewhere.
Doug