Family that don't know what turntables/LPs are?

[luxmaster]

I'm 15, and I own a few Miles Davis records, a couple of Coltrane records. I love Robert Johnson (I'm reading a book titled 'Searching For Robert Johnson' right now), John Lee Hooker is great. Delta blues is one of my favorite genres, especially Bukka White and Big Bill Broonzy. And these aren't my Dad's records, he can't stand the stuff. These are records and CDs I've bought myself because it's great music.

I talk to my Grandpa all the time about the 40s, 50s, etc. because I love hearing about the past/history - history is my favorite subject.




I am infatuated with good sound. I read a lot of books on history and watch VHS tapes. And I'm not just one of those kids who are claiming they like "older music." I love vintage stuff, I prefer a record to an .mp3. I prefer a good book to a TV show. It's hard not having anyone to talk to about this stuff, which is why I love this forum so much.

My statement was just a generalization of an observation but by no means is the fact of kids today. I have seen kids indulge in music history and it is nice to see this. I just think it is happening less & less these days as technology evolves . Society today is more about the here and now and me feelings. You are obviously an old soul.

 

[bluesky]

My statement was just a generalization of an observation but by no means is the fact of kids today. I have seen kids indulge in music history and it is nice to see this. I just think it is happening less & less these days as technology evolves . Society today is more about the here and now and me feelings. You are obviously an old soul.

Technology is great!

Buy it, and in 4 months it's obsolete and in 2-3 years it's broke, maybe sooner...a throw away. Buy a new one. That's what they wanted anyway. Spend your money.

Didn't matter anyway...it's junk. What a scam.

Perfect.

 

[muchachos]

I guess I'm a bit like ledzep1968... I always loved history as a kid - one of my ambitions was to be a pirate, actually - and really got into the Beatles in Grade 8. After that was a huge obsession with Zeppelin, and that lead to blues - I think I only know one other person who I can talk to about Sam Collins or Henry Thomas about. Still, that's one. Then that lead to jazz, and I started liquefying records and pumping vinyl into my veins at some point... Yeah, there are still a few kids who know about the past. :yes: 17 now, and I'm convinced that if there is a god, his name is Miles Davis. There are still a few 'good' kids out there.

Though of course this all does follow a typical generational pattern - it's adults applying their own values to the younger generation, and finding that the younger generation seems not to care too much about what adults do. It's applicable in anything - I mean, I'm sure you could find a clock repairer, for instance, complaining about the same thing. Also, if someone doesnt know where Denmark is, it may not be because they're young. It's not impossible to find adults who don't know where Denmark is. Hell, I was reading the other day (in a paper book, too!) that two thirds of Americans aged 18-24 can't find Iraq on a map. It could be because they're dumb, it could be because they're young, it could be because they're American. Or it could be that we only really see the shortcomings of others.

Anyway. Ramblings over. That's my attempt to bring in some perspective, for what it's worth.

 

[JoeESP9]

The proper term is ignorant. For someone in that age group to not know where Iraq is should be embarrassing to our educational system. It just goes to show you that when Jay Leno interviews people on the street he doesn't pick certain ones.

In today's America the chances of stopping a person totally ignorant of the world and it's affairs is very high. IMO this is not a good thing. Simple things like not knowing how many states there are is not only ignorant it's pathetic.

 

[rnorton]

The proper term is ignorant. For someone in that age group to not know where Iraq is should be embarrassing to our educational system. It just goes to show you that when Jay Leno interviews people on the street he doesn't pick certain ones.

In today's America the chances of stopping a person totally ignorant of the world and it's affairs is very high. IMO this is not a good thing. Simple things like not knowing how many states there are is not only ignorant it's pathetic.

I remember back about '71, when presented with a blank world map, 30% of Americans tested put Viet Nam on the African continent. About 30% at least got it in SE Asia. We didn't get stupid overnight. We've been stupid for quite a while.

In Cambodia last March, while eating in an open air restaurant at Angkor Wat, a 6 year old girl (the owner's daughter, apparently) came up to me and asked if I would buy $1 worth of post cards from her if she could tell me the names of the President of the US, the Vice President, & the Secretary of State, plus the Capitol and nickname of my state. She did this flawlessly (and in excellent English). Later, she totaled my bill and did correct monetary manipulations between Dollars and Cambodian Riels IN HER HEAD!. I don't think that most American high school graduates could have done that.

 

[starquest52]

Technology is great!

Buy it, and in 4 months it's obsolute and in 2-3 years it's broke, a throw away. Buy a new one. That's what they wanted anyway. Spend your money.

Didn't matter anyway...it's junk. What a scam.

Perfect.

+1 :scratch2:

 

[RamblinE]

Kind of ironic arguing about music history when music is thousands of years old and yet playable media is only 120 years old or so.

You guys are making vinyl waaaaaay more important then it needs to be.

 

[bluesky]

I always loved history as a kid - one of my ambitions was to be a pirate.
I was reading the other day (in a paper book, too!) that two thirds of Americans aged 18-24 can't find Iraq on a map.

I became a pirate! Merchant Mariner. :>)

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Two thirds of Americans aged 18-24 can't find Iraq on a map? No other way to say it..."That's just pitiful ... Hopeless".

Two thirds seems pretty bad. I sure hope that's not absolutely true. If it is...'it's over'.

Asia wins. Meet the new boss.

 

[KrisM]

Kind of ironic arguing about music history when music is thousands of years old and yet playable media is only 120 years old or so.

You guys are making vinyl waaaaaay more important then it needs to be.

I really enjoy the modest vinyl setups I've been using, but I have to agree. Vinyl is just one, of many, ways to enjoy music. There is no need to be dogmatic in how to enjoy music, if you ask me.

I also find it odd that people don't realize that some of the best music ever made hasn't even been made yet. There will be great music being made long after we are all down for the dirt nap.
I love music history, but I also love finding a good new album/cd. When I can find it, I'll be buying the new Paul Reddick album. Sure, he isn't Muddy Waters. But Muddy Waters isn't Paul Reddick, either. I think a lot of people have a hard time getting that. Which is sad, really.

 

[muchachos]

I became a pirate! Merchant Mariner. :>)

The six year old in me, still very much alive, is really quite jealous at the moment.

I love music history, but I also love finding a good new album/cd. When I can find it, I'll be buying the new Paul Reddick album. Sure, he isn't Muddy Waters. But Muddy Waters isn't Paul Reddick, either. I think a lot of people have a hard time getting that. Which is sad, really.

That's true too. It's easy to forget about the great new music being done, especially when there is so much old stuff that's much easier to find. I love music festivals - they're a fantastic way to get more aware of what's going on now. Maybe you can say that the younger generation doesn't know good music, but hey, they can see their idols live, and there's something to be said for that.

 

[bluesky]

The six year old in me, still very much alive, is really quite jealous at the moment.

Don't be that jealous. I'm retired now and don't do it anymore. I do miss it, not really, yeah - I do - some of the stuff.

A lot of hard work, long hours, I did absolutely love it. Ports were super fun. Long vacations really fine. Then...back to work.

It was kinda like living a rock star's life, only problem is you had to 'work' and 'go to sea for extended periods of time'.

It was ALL good! I'd do it again in a heartbeat! Like Immediately.

 

[gadget73]

What I find interesting is that people my age or slightly younger know what the record player is and often find it at least mildly amusing that I use one, where people older than me, like 40s-50s, will tell me I need to get with the times because CDs and ipods and such exist. I have to say this just absolutely baffles me that people who grew up with records tell me they are old junk, but people who grew up with CDs and mp3 players have an appreciation for this obsolete nonsense. I only really listen to them because I'm a cheap bastard and I can get a lot of music for a buck or two.

 

[JoeESP9]

It could be that there are a lot of 40's to 50's that want to appear up to date. Me, I'm in my 60's and really don't care what others think. I buy and listen to LP's and CD's, have a dedicated music server PC loaded with only wave files and a personal digital player loaded with FLAC files. I don't have, collect or listen to MP3 files.

 

[bluesky]

What I find interesting is that people my age or slightly younger know what the record player is and often find it at least mildly amusing that I use one, where people older than me, like 40s-50s, will tell me I need to get with the times because CDs and ipods and such exist. I have to say this just absolutely baffles me that people who grew up with records tell me they are old junk, but people who grew up with CDs and mp3 players have an appreciation for this obsolete nonsense.

My friends who grew up with records think it's kind of funny and crazy that I still use a TT, let alone like it, enjoy it. and 'prefer it'. They look at my rig with the big box speakers and they just don't get it. And no sub woofer? Totally different from what they are using.

Most of my friends think that LPs are a thing of the very distant past and they think that it's crazy that I even have a TT, let alone keep buying records. They are all into digital CDs but mostly iPods now actually. But they are not that heavily into music like myself. They have lost the feeling for music. Seems most folks have now, but that's a different thread.

To me there's a big difference between digital sound and analog sound (and feeling).

Question:
Do you guys find that LPs (analog) have much more 'feeling'. I play a CD and they sound good, some 'sound' really great. But that's just sound. I play an LP and it just full of 'feeling' for me, analog just 'gets to me'. I can 'feel' the music.

Do you guys get the same 'feeling' from LPs?

I do enjoy LPs much more.

 

[Peter_Klim]

...I've met young folks who had never even heard of Led Zeppelin. I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that they have never heard of Coltrane, Miles Davis, Robert Johnson, John Lee Hooker, Jobim, Stan Getz, or 'any' of the old greats too. I know if you said 'Delta Blues', they would have no idea what-so-ever what you were talking about.

I'm 43 and have no idea who these guys are:

Robert Johnson, Jobim, Stan Getz, 'Delta Blues'

And I wouldn't even know the music from these guys if I heard it:

Coltrane, Miles Davis, Robert Johnson, John Lee Hooker, Jobim, Stan Getz, 'Delta Blues'

Do you know Zebra? lol

 

[poortom]

I got out my turntable for the first time a few months ago after it had been in storage for many years. My 16YO daughter came down stairs while I was playing a rather noisy record and she said "What's all that clicking and popping???" That exchange gave me a chuckle when she proceeded to give me her "Dad, you're being a dork" look.

 

[Peter_Klim]

The day is coming when future generations wont recognise cd's much less records

Even my generation (I'm 43) will forget very soon...

Recently I was on a date with a new gf and it was her birthday so I got her a CD. When she unwrapped it, she said "Oh, I haven't seen one of these in a while...how do I play it". I told her I would rip if for her. She said "what? 'Rip' it? " After I explained what ripping meant, she replied: "Oh, when you said ripping, all I could think of is you farting" Nice! Happy Birthday!

 

[Peter_Klim]

Um...you mean a handful like this? You must have VERY large hands.

NOTE: Yes, those are laserdiscs, not records...and there's over 5000 of them. Not mine, unfortunately.

"Not mine, Unfortunately"? Why would you want to own over 5000 LD's?

Well, I'd be happy to own them if they were given to me for free. But I would only have felt "unfortunately" to have owned them IF I had paid money to purchase them.

 

[Peter_Klim]

...But the majority play music of today. Kids and their cars only play music that compliments the bass more. It is more about synthesizers and computers to make the beat. Soon musical instruments will become history...

Remind's me of these lyrics. Can anyone guess the band/song it comes from?

"What can this strange device be?
When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
It's got wires that vibrate and give music
What can this thing be that I found?

See how it sings like a sad heart
And joyously screams out its pain
Sounds that build high like a mountain
Or notes that fall gently like rain

I can't wait to share this new wonder
The people will all see its light
Let them all make their own music
The Priests praise my name on this night "