Fisher 400: Why does FM sound worlds better than Aux/Tape-in?

MPX separation, I believe.

Yes, that could be it. But that's not the same as messing with IF transformer, discriminator, or MPX coils/transformers, which are impossible to calibrate without a complete re-alignment. Doubt any of those controls would be user accessible.
 
... I do 'adjust' that large blue POT on the FM tuner occasionally, and the quality of the sound it affects seems to be the same quality that is lacking with the Aux/Tape inputs. Does that help any?...

As others have said, that's the MPX separation control. I wonder if your Aux/Tape inputs could be in mono for some reason?

To properly adjust the separation, you need an FM stereo signal that's left, or right channel only. Adjust it so that there's as little sound as possible from the channel that should be silent. One of those iPod FM transmitters can be useful for this.
 
MPX separation, I believe.

Absolutely...

On my Fisher tube tuner, I fiddled with it until I got the best stereo separation.

Done with a cheap FM transmitter (for Ipod's in the car) broadcasting a Beatles tune (the Beatles were often hard-panned in the stereo mixes).

Patrice

**Oups, I didn't read the previous post... Same content and advices.
 
Thanks for all the insight guys. I think I need a little assistance interpreting what I'm reading here. It seems some are saying I certainly shouldn't have touched that dial, others maybe saying it's not that critical.

If it helps any, at no recent time was the FM section changed/altered/adjusted by the Tech. He did not try to realign the tuner or any of that. All I know is I saw, and listened to, him adjust it a little to show me how it affected the stereo separation. And I've also adjusted it on occasion over the past year. The FM has never sounded bad.

So, how wrong was he to suggest I could adjust it and how wrong was I to listen?

Thanks! We'll get back to the original question soon...
 
As others have said, that's the MPX separation control. I wonder if your Aux/Tape inputs could be in mono for some reason?
Thanks, but No, they're stereo. But perhaps not as well separated as they should be? Is that electronically possible?

To properly adjust the separation, you need an FM stereo signal that's left, or right channel only. Adjust it so that there's as little sound as possible from the channel that should be silent. One of those iPod FM transmitters can be useful for this.
Sounds like a great method. Thanks!
 
It's not critical in the sense that you ruined the tuner's ability to tune stations properly or process the signal -- you did not do that, and you cannot do that with the separation control. The controls that do those things are tuning coils and transformers that need a stereo fm signal generator and an oscilloscope to adjust them correctly. There are a whole series of coils, and changing one affects all the other ones, so they must be done in a particular order using the correct test equipment. They are also completely inside the unit, not sitting on top.

The separation control is not an adjustable coil, but a variable resistor (pot) that helps achieve the best channel separation. It is generally the last control to be adjusted in the realignment process, and adjusting it will not affect the previous tuning/alignment work. If you can input a signal with a song that you know has complete channel separation (ie, the mentioned Beatles song where the vocals are on one channel and the instruments on the other), then you can turn the balance control all the way in one direction, and adjust the separation control so that you can't hear (or hear a minimum of) any of the stuff that is supposed to be on the other channel.

If the separation control is on a preamp circuit, and not just on the FM circuit, you may be able to use the phono or aux input for the music signal. Otherwise you need to input the signal into the antenna jack, but you may need to use a matching pad to get the impedance right. You could potentially use an iPod in the antenna jack, but it would need to be turned down very very low to keep from overloading the circuit. Not sure it could go that low actually. FM signals are in the microvolt level. Phono inputs are in the millivolt level, whereas line-level aux signals may be around 1 volt. The FM transmitter suggested would be best, if you have one. It would be the right level.

Or you could just adjust it so it sounds best to your ears. And don't worry about it. You haven't broken anything.
 
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That's great news, GreatTone, thank you for putting it into perspective. I was a little worried there, but now with a little understanding I'm not. I think I will borrow an FM transmitter just to try to adjust it to achieve full separation. I'm kinda curious if what sounds best to my ears is in fact the most separated stereo...

And more good news. I picked up some Deoxit today and followed Fisherdude's protocol. Now I think, I believe my Aux in is sounding better. By better, I mean fuller and less thin. In all honesty, though, it could just be placebo... but for now I'm quite happy.

Thanks all. :)
 
Glad your mind is at ease. And yes, it's amazing what a little DeOxit can do. Those old RCA jacks get a lot of oxidation built up on them over the years. Removing it can indeed improve the sound.
 
Just a quick followup in the interest of clarity -- I just looked again at the picture of your tuner, and there are indeed tuning/alignment coils on top. That's what those square metal things are. Don't go sticking anything in those and turning -- that will indeed throw off the alignment.

But everything else about the the pot with the blue knob still stands.
 
Update: Eleven Months Later...

I've been fooling around with a preamp in my setup, a Kenwood Basic C2. I bought it to use with a LOMC cartridge for my turntable, as that needed more gain. But I'm also running my digital signal from PC to DAC through this preamp and into the Fisher's Aux input.

I wanted to come back and state for this thread that the sound is now much, much fuller; it's a lot closer to the FM sound. I think all along a big part of what was lacking was just gain, and the preamp is helping there.
 
I think you are. Correct that you needed more gain.

One other thing if you took two signals one slightly louder and A/Bed them 99% of the time people will pick the louder one. When testing microphones you always have to match volume to pick the better mic
 
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