FX Audio 6j1 tube preamp - a $31 wonder

I did not understand "The power supply goes via a whole bunch of switching supplies to boost the 12v to the voltages it needs." Does that mean, eventhought the Pyramid power supply can put out 13.8v, it only delivers what is needed by the load, in this case the Tube-01 which uses a max of 12V?
The 6j1 tube requires voltages higher than 12v to operate. To get that it uses switch mode power supplies. Linear power supplies cannot increase DC voltage.
Actually, linear power supplies (which use a transformer) can increase DC voltage if they are configured as a voltage doubler. Lots of highly regarded tube amps use this design. Of course a doubler is not needed if the PT secondary puts out enough AC voltage, which can then be rectified and filtered as needed.
Now usually linear power supplies are used because they supply cleaner power than switchers, and this will reduce the noise floor. I have my doubts on whether using a linear 12v source will help things because that 12v goes through a switching supply anyway before it goes to the tube.
It was reported earlier in this thread that measurements taken with a higher voltage PS (13.2v vs 12v) resulted in slightly higher operating voltages at the tubes. So different PS voltages do affect the tube's operating points, but only by a few volts.

The only possible downside is that the increased voltage also pushes, and even slightly exceeds, the voltage rating of the PS capacitors. That said, there don't seem to be a lot of reports of cap failures. I think I found only one or two reports somewhere.

These little preamps (they are not buffers) run the tubes at voltages that are considerably lower than the tube data sheets suggest.

I breadboarded the audio portion of the circuit using a traditional power supply and listened to it at a variety of voltages supplied to the tube, ranging from what you'd get with a stock 12v supply, a 13.2v supply and at a range of considerably higher voltages that were more in line with the data sheets.

Based on this, I can say that the sound is a bit better with a 13.2v supply than with a 12v supply but it was dramatically improved when the tubes are run at significantly higher voltages, which is how most tubes are meant to be operated.

I discussed my breadboarding experiments earlier, see Post 1501 and others. I posted a schematic in Post 1598. Here's a later schematic, which I mentioned but forgot to post:

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I got sidetracked on other matters and never did get around to trying it as a buffer but I still might before I tear down the breadboard and build a preamp. It's a decent sounding tube but I found a couple of others I liked more.
 
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If reading the positive experiences of scores of others on this thread hasn't changed your mind the only thing that will is to try it yourself. And when you hear the improvement and reduced noise that a linear regulated provides you won't have to speculate any longer.
I will try myself. The cost is so little and I could use it for other things in case it didn't like it. I am just trying to understand the technical description from. gr33nhorn. Thanks all.
 
I made a few tweaks after the Jan 5654 substitution.
Lifted the front of the B&W DM 630 off the carpet to see whether or not spikes will have a benefit once I buy some.

I have to say it tightened the bass up considerably with just a couple of furniture sliders and a jewel box. Of course it's not de-coupled from the carpet, but it gave me an idea of what to expect.

The Voskhods have burned in and I'm very impressed with the detail.
Listening to Caravan-Live. Bass guitar punch is outstanding.
So much separation of instrument voicing.

PFM just floored me and Spirit is the best I've ever heard them.
So much detail with Gong. Going to try Genesis w/ Gabriel, next.
These are all files, btw.

Cost me $100 to get here incl the pre-amp and two sets of tubes. So much worth it!
Spikes should be another positive tweak. Less vibration transfer from floor to cabinets.
 
Recommended linear regulated power supplies from $30 to $35 on Amazon. The PS3KX has served me well for over 10 years. But the 6 amp PS8KX would probably be my first choice today. The PS9KX is only one dollar more but it has that ugly open port in the front which I would never use although others might.

Pyramid PS3KX - 2.5 amps
Pyramid PS9KX - 5 amps
Pyramid PS8KX - 6 amps
 
Recommended linear regulated power supplies from $30 to $35 on Amazon. The PS3KX has served me well for over 10 years. But the 6 amp PS8KX would probably be my first choice today. The PS9KX is only one dollar more but it has that ugly open port in the front which I would never use although others might.

Pyramid PS3KX - 2.5 amps
Pyramid PS9KX - 5 amps
Pyramid PS8KX - 6 amps

Are you using the power supply for more than one device? I am now using the PS3KK for just the Tube-01. Is the extra capacity more for multi-device use?
 
For what it's worth, I'm using an Astron RS-12A to power the FX Tube-01. It seems to work great.

A quick observation: when powering the FX Tube-01 with a cheap switching power supply (12VDC 6A), I could see the woofers 'jump' (displace) when adjusting the volume while music is playing. Even just a tiny adjustment would make the woofers bounce like they're getting a short burst of DC. This doesn't happen at all when powering with the Astron RS-12A. Not sure why this would be. The output from the FX is running to a TI TPA3255EVM amp. Any ideas?
 
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Are you using the power supply for more than one device? I am now using the PS3KK for just the Tube-01. Is the extra capacity more for multi-device use?

Im using a similar power supply (13 v/ 7a) with 3 devices.
- Tpa 3116 amp
- Fx audio tube 03
- Fx audio dac X6
It works nice!
 

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Im using a similar power supply (13 v/ 7a) with 3 devices.
- Tpa 3116 amp
- Fx audio tube 03
- Fx audio dac X6
It works nice!
Good to know a power supply can be used for multiple devices with similar voltage. The reason I ask is if the Pyramid PS3KX - 2.5 amps is sufficient for just the FX Audio Tube-01. The wall wart that came with the Tube-01 was only 1.5 amps.
 
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A small 3 Amp supply would be more than sufficient for the FX, the 311# series chips would be happier at 19-24 volts than 13.# Volt.
 
A small 3 Amp supply would be more than sufficient for the FX, the 311# series chips would be happier at 19-24 volts than 13.# Volt.

What do you mean with "happier"? Are you talking about watts per channel or sound quality?
In my case, in a small room, with 6 ohms speakers and the fx audio tube, the volume in the amp is settled at 40%. So, 13 volts are more than enough for me.
 
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A small 3 Amp supply would be more than sufficient for the FX, the 311# series chips would be happier at 19-24 volts than 13.# Volt.

Happier? It's difficult to evaluate an amp's feelings. :)

But a 19-24v lap top power brick will not sound better than a 13.8v linear regulated PSU unless the amp is like the Volt+D with on board capacitance multipliers.
 
What do you mean with "happier"? Are you talking about watts per channel or sound quality?
In my case, in a small room, with 6 ohms speakers and the fx audio tube, the volume in the amp is settled at 40%. So, 13 volts are more than enough for me.
Power output is related to available voltage vs speaker resistance, SQ itself is a matter of the listeners' perception. Distortion will begin and inrease at drive levels that exceed the amps ability to drive the load, less voltage means lower clean output levels. Clean steady power is important as well, the cap multipliers help greatly here without adding bulk and significant cost. The typical TPA311# amps need ca 5-6 Amp at 19-24 volts to operate near their capacity into ca 8 Ohms, regardless of the source. At 12-14 Volts it's significantly less.
 
how might i have damaged my unit? i've had it unused for several months, but yesteday got it in the system between my DBX pre- and my WOPL 400 power amp. since i had no available outlets, i decided to temporarily take power from one of the unswitched auxiliary outlets on the pre-. it worked great, and i could definitely sense what all the fuss was about. i will note that when i powered it up, there was a good thump from the speakers, and when i powered down. this morning, it wont pass a signal, and i'm stumped.
 
Good to know a power supply can be used for multiple devices with similar voltage. The reason I ask is if the Pyramid PS3KX - 2.5 amps is sufficient for just the FX Audio Tube-01. The wall wart that came with the Tube-01 was only 1.5 amps.

Mine is 1.0 amp.


how might i have damaged my unit? i've had it unused for several months, but yesteday got it in the system between my DBX pre- and my WOPL 400 power amp. since i had no available outlets, i decided to temporarily take power from one of the unswitched auxiliary outlets on the pre-. it worked great, and i could definitely sense what all the fuss was about. i will note that when i powered it up, there was a good thump from the speakers, and when i powered down. this morning, it wont pass a signal, and i'm stumped.


Do you turn on the preamp, first or the amp? Just a guess, but did you ck for a fuse?

Those thumps are DC current. Not a good thing, but normal. Best to turn the preamp on then the amp after a few minutes when using tubes.

Maybe ck DC offset at the spkr terminals.
 
Power output is related to available voltage vs speaker resistance, SQ itself is a matter of the listeners' perception. Distortion will begin and inrease at drive levels that exceed the amps ability to drive the load, less voltage means lower clean output levels. Clean steady power is important as well, the cap multipliers help greatly here without adding bulk and significant cost. The typical TPA311# amps need ca 5-6 Amp at 19-24 volts to operate near their capacity into ca 8 Ohms, regardless of the source. At 12-14 Volts it's significantly less.

Less can be all you need with HE speakers. My goal is to achieve a good listening level with less than a single watt.
 
Power output is related to available voltage vs speaker resistance, SQ itself is a matter of the listeners' perception. Distortion will begin and inrease at drive levels that exceed the amps ability to drive the load, less voltage means lower clean output levels. Clean steady power is important as well, the cap multipliers help greatly here without adding bulk and significant cost. The typical TPA311# amps need ca 5-6 Amp at 19-24 volts to operate near their capacity into ca 8 Ohms, regardless of the source. At 12-14 Volts it's significantly less.

Imho if the Tube-01 would colour the sound more than it does now I would probably not use it. It's spot on for me on 12v.
 
Imho if the Tube-01 would colour the sound more than it does now I would probably not use it. It's spot on for me on 12v.
The tube pre shouldn't have more than 13.8 VDC, 12 VDC should be fine. It's the TPA311# chip amps that take up to 24 VDC, not the FX-O1 and similar tube preamps.
 
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I don't have bandwidth to read 90 pages of posts but in general my interest is piqued. I have a Marantz 2275 feeding some JBL L100T. When I want to listen to headphones I have a Schiit Mani into a Vali tube headphone amp. Also have a Topping D30 for anything out of my phone.

Would this modest investment in the preamp, power supply, and new tubes have an impact. Seems yes, but maybe the rest of my stuff isn't high end enough?
 
I also have a D30 and a late 70's ss receiver feeding a pair of BOTL Spendor 2-way speakers. Most of the time this pre feeds a 3 w/channel 6J1/6P1 tube amp into a pair of 60 year old E-V Aristocrats. The only way to know is to try it. It truly is system dependent.

Be aware that this unit inverts polarity. Hook it up to the tape monitor of your 2275 to experience this phenomena. Switching positive and negative wires at either the receiver or both speakers will correct for this but you won't be able to do an A/B test with the tape monitor function.

Mark
 
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