Headphone recommendations

It's not that I don't like them in particular. I'm not overly fond of any headphones. Every headphone I've ever heard produces sound in a direct line from one ear to the other. When I read of others talking about a soundstage from headphones I have to think either we have completely different hearing processes or we have differing ideas on what a soundstage is. I choose to believe the latter. This doesn't apply to binaural recordings. The few that I have sound superb on any headphones I've tried.

As for instituting a bidding war, I'd rather give them to someone local who uses headphones a lot. In the meantime I'm holding on to them.

FWIW: I gave a pair of Stax SR34/40's to a buddy who can't play music very loud in his apartment.
Headphones are definitely a secondary listening source for me. I agree - a soundstage is just that. I can't create one in my head. If phones sound better than speakers, upgrade your speakers.
 
Listening to my HE-4XX's right now, fed by an Emotiva A-100 doing duty as a dedicated headphone amp. I like the HiFiMan far more than my previous set (Sennheiser HD598SE).
 
Something I personally have to be reminded of from time to time, and was recently: not everyone notices what we do, or cares when they do.

Perfect example: my best friend is a very technical, brilliant guy. I've known him for almost 30 years (and we're both in our mid 30s), he went in to comp-sci and makes boatloads of money, I did a bunch of strange stuff and work in sales. He knows I'm in to sound.

He lives in NYC and has neither space nor interest necessary to set up a stereo, but uses headphones all the time, at work and at home. A couple years ago he asked me for a recommendation. At the time I was really in to closed phones, but he needed open-back so he didn't miss a subway stop, the delivery guy paging, some guy on his team asking a question, whatever. I said go with the Massdrop HD-6XXs, and he did. Has been happy using them with the laptop and phone as sources ever since.

A couple of months ago he asked if getting a dedicated DAC and headphone amp would make sense. I said yeah. We get to see each other two or three times a year when he comes back to SC to see family, so I took the weekend and brought my Little Dot 2, Topping D50, and AKG Q70 / HiFi Man HE-4XX / Phillips Fidelo X2 HR phones with me.

He used his laptop as source with known songs... And couldn't really tell a difference. On anything.

I apologized profusely for being a special snowflake (cause I can notice a massive difference between all three) and told him "don't worry about it."

He bought a D50S and A50 a couple weeks later anyway. Says it sounds better, more dynamic range. I suspect he may just be trying to make me feel better.
 
It's not that some hear differently. Everyone hears in exactly the same way. It's physiology. We are all the same physiologically. The differences are in how we listen to and perceive music (sound)..

Posters here actually listen. That's not the same as hearing. For some enthusiasts it's necessary to learn how to listen. Yes, it can be taught. I suspect that the most rabid "listeners" know exactly what I mean. Gchief (I'm high and my spelling is not so great right now) knows about this.
 
As a drummer I’ve had a bunch of closed back headphones and learned that I don’t like them. They (did anyway) sound like there are a pair of cheap speakers pointing at your ears. Plus they’re hot. And usually uncomfortable.

When I got back into taping and doing CD mixes etc. it required a set of accurate headphones so I could hear what was going on. Tape saturation/distortion etc. are problems you can miss, that, when played back on a big dynamic system, are a slap in the face (or kick in the nads, since you spent so many hours putting that together).

AKG K702. Open back. Light-ish, real leather headband, “velvet” ear cups and a wide and reasonably flat frequency response. They sound good. Not as good as a good system in a good room, but not like speakers yelling in your ears. Some call them analytical; and, to a point they are. I want to hear the bad stuff, so I can keep it out of my recordings. That said, I don’t think they exaggerate any frequencies, or “sugar coat” (sweeten) the sound. If your source is crap; they’ll sound like crap.

I’m sure there are better headphones. But bang for the buck is pretty hard to beat. I’ve recently considered going upscale with a higher end AKG (not many above this one from them), or someone else, but I think a nicer cable for these will be better spent money, though I do need a cheaper (or used 702’s) for work.

They don’t look “cool” if that’s important. I’m usually in my office wearing them tearing up tape, so I couldn’t care less. But my point is, I think you should strongly consider open backs. Or semi- open. At similar price points, open will always sound more natural.

Disclaimer: I have not tried every headphone made, but express my experience here. Head-fi will become the time-suck or research but those guys (and girls) HAVE tried every headphone made...B2318A4B-3EC5-4E6C-979B-2BD26D438041.jpeg
 
Check out the Grado line too. They make everything from the sublime to the ridiculous. I'm partial to my SR125's that clock in at under $150.

If you do decide to try open backs, I would also highly recommend the SR80e's. I find them to be super light and comfortable.

For $99 these are a great deal!
 
As a drummer I’ve had a bunch of closed back headphones and learned that I don’t like them. They (did anyway) sound like there are a pair of cheap speakers pointing at your ears. Plus they’re hot. And usually uncomfortable.

When I got back into taping and doing CD mixes etc. it required a set of accurate headphones so I could hear what was going on. Tape saturation/distortion etc. are problems you can miss, that, when played back on a big dynamic system, are a slap in the face (or kick in the nads, since you spent so many hours putting that together).

AKG K702. Open back. Light-ish, real leather headband, “velvet” ear cups and a wide and reasonably flat frequency response. They sound good. Not as good as a good system in a good room, but not like speakers yelling in your ears. Some call them analytical; and, to a point they are. I want to hear the bad stuff, so I can keep it out of my recordings. That said, I don’t think they exaggerate any frequencies, or “sugar coat” (sweeten) the sound. If your source is crap; they’ll sound like crap.

I’m sure there are better headphones. But bang for the buck is pretty hard to beat. I’ve recently considered going upscale with a higher end AKG (not many above this one from them), or someone else, but I think a nicer cable for these will be better spent money, though I do need a cheaper (or used 702’s) for work.

They don’t look “cool” if that’s important. I’m usually in my office wearing them tearing up tape, so I couldn’t care less. But my point is, I think you should strongly consider open backs. Or semi- open. At similar price points, open will always sound more natural.

Disclaimer: I have not tried every headphone made, but express my experience here. Head-fi will become the time-suck or research but those guys (and girls) HAVE tried every headphone made...View attachment 1807342

Strongly recommend you try some of these (occasionally on sale for $30-40, I think I got mine via Amazon?) when it's time for new pads. I have Q701s, slightly different damping and sound signature, but these pads made a massive difference.
 
It's not that some hear differently. Everyone hears in exactly the same way. It's physiology. We are all the same physiologically. The differences are in how we listen to and perceive music (sound)..

Posters here actually listen. That's not the same as hearing. For some enthusiasts it's necessary to learn how to listen. Yes, it can be taught. I suspect that the most rabid "listeners" know exactly what I mean. Gchief (I'm high and my spelling is not so great right now) knows about this.

I think everybody's ears all work exactly the same. But the brain is a different subject altogether. And the brain, like a computer, can get better at discerning and processing the noise. Just like a computer with better software.

There's an old friend that once illustrated this to me when I found out he could not sing on key to save his life. He had no idea that he was way off key on every note, he had no idea whatsoever, but his warbling was almost painful to hear. He didn't have hearing loss. Another friend once listened to a piece of music that I had, and at the end, mentioned that the bass singer was flat for his last note. For the life of me I could not hear this, but he picked it out the very first time he heard it.

This guy also taught himself how to play the piano, and his typing speed was crazy. He and my first friend had the same ears functionally speaking, but were far differently skilled once that information got to the brain. I can hear differences in headphones where they exist. I was shocked to hear depth to the soundstage in the Grado SR125e when paired with the Schiit Vali 2 headphone amp and the Modi Multibit. Plugged straight into my iphone, that soundstage was not present.
 
It's not that I don't like them in particular. I'm not overly fond of any headphones. Every headphone I've ever heard produces sound in a direct line from one ear to the other. When I read of others talking about a soundstage from headphones I have to think either we have completely different hearing processes or we have differing ideas on what a soundstage is. I choose to believe the latter. This doesn't apply to binaural recordings. The few that I have sound superb on any headphones I've tried.

As for instituting a bidding war, I'd rather give them to someone local who uses headphones a lot. In the meantime I'm holding on to them.

FWIW: I gave a pair of Stax SR34/40's to a buddy who can't play music very loud in his apartment.

I just saw an ad for used Grado SR100 up here in Canada. Asking $650. That's about $475 US, which is probably a little high. Still, if you're ever wanting to free up some cash to get some new phones...
 
Strongly recommend you try some of these (occasionally on sale for $30-40, I think I got mine via Amazon?) when it's time for new pads. I have Q701s, slightly different damping and sound signature, but these pads made a massive difference.

These what? Was there a link or something I missed?

Ive been doing a bunch of bench work lately (blending airfoil edges) and the shop is noisy. So, I have the iPhone earbuds in (oem lightning plug in the iPhone 8) streaming pandora. Those are under a pair of earmuffs, so I don’t have them screaming in my ears.

So, I’ve been looking again at closed back ones. One that has my attention right now is the ESS 422H. Under $200 today; even less if I wait for drop... I did a search but didn’t find much on them. Does anyone have them? If so, what do you think?
 
IMO I would scour the Headfi classified for something like an Audeze LCD-2 or Hifiman. Typically you can find equipment in very good condition for ~50% of MSRP. Buy something try it and if you don't like it then re-sell it. Something like a Topping D90 Dac + SMSL SP200 (amp) + the LCD-2 (Pre-Fazor) would be a nice combo to start with. You could go slightly cheaper on amp/dac combo but likely will lose quite a bit in performance.
 
I would recommend the Meze 99 Classics. I just received the pair I ordered on Friday. Very distinctive looking, very light weight and they sound fantastic. I have been using them all weekend. upload_2020-5-3_10-22-22.jpeg
 
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