How To Simplify And Complicate Your Stereo System At The Same Time

John, if you’ve told this story on AK before, I missed it. Quite a frustrating adventure. I hope this last move puts you in a place you can be happy for a while.
 
WaynerN said:
It's not a complicated subject if it doesn't exist. Since you can't explain what it is, it isn't.
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Do you mean 4D (as a mathematical concept) doesn't exist? Or are you referencing the typo about the room correction system that the OP was talking about?
 
4D is a theory or a concept. I have been an engineer for many, many years, starting with paper as the medium, moving eventually to 3D solid modelers. There was no 4D and as far as we know, its, as I said, a theory, just like string theory or time travel.

I deal in the known universe.
 
WaynerN said:
4D is a theory or a concept. I have been an engineer for many, many years, starting with paper as the medium, moving eventually to 3D solid modelers. There was no 4D and as far as we know, its, as I said, a theory, just like string theory or time travel.

I deal in the known universe.
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Here is a thought. Why don't you guys let a typo go and discuss something relevant to audio and the use of a DSP in an audio system. Oh sure point out the 4 is next to the 3 button, and the OP is an idiot and look at his silly mistake. I then make a jibe about being a simple barnyard animal and its difficult typing with hooves. Then we have a laugh and move on.

This is a component that addresses many of the practical issues we have in setting up a system. Would it be far more interesting if you guys wrote something relevant?
 
I've seen time referred to as a fourth dimension, wherein any event occurs not only in 3 dimensional space but at a particular point in time, which can be visualized in different ways.


No Money said:
Do you mean 4D (as a mathematical concept) doesn't exist? Or are you referencing the typo about the room correction system that the OP was talking about?
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The question for me is whether you'll still own it six months from now. You are quite the prodigious high level gear swapper.

Mister Pig said:
Here is a thought. Why don't you guys let a typo go and discuss something relevant to audio and the use of a DSP in an audio system. Oh sure point out the 4 is next to the 3 button, and the OP is an idiot and look at his silly mistake. I then make a jibe about being a simple barnyard animal and its difficult typing with hooves. Then we have a laugh and move on.

This is a component that addresses many of the practical issues we have in setting up a system. Would it be far more interesting if you guys wrote something relevant?
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Mister Pig said:
Here is a thought. Why don't you guys let a typo go and discuss something relevant to audio and the use of a DSP in an audio system. Oh sure point out the 4 is next to the 3 button, and the OP is an idiot and look at his silly mistake. I then make a jibe about being a simple barnyard animal and its difficult typing with hooves. Then we have a laugh and move on.

This is a component that addresses many of the practical issues we have in setting up a system. Would it be far more interesting if you guys wrote something relevant?
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I far from consider you an idiot, I find what you post entertaining and enlightening. Sorry to have given offence, I will butt out now from further posting.
 
DavidTT said:
The question for me is whether you'll still own it six months from now. You are quite the prodigious high level gear swapper.
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Maybe I will and maybe I won't. I have always viewed audio as a journey, and there is no requirement to own something and never move on from it. Some components I have owned for a relatively long time, my DAC is over 12 years old, my speakers are closing in on 7 years. I have a ZYX phono cartridge that is 13 years old. Phono stage is about 4 years old, the one previous to that I kept 7 years. Other pieces have not stayed as long, and some pieces have a short time here because it results in a sound that does not speak to me. The Trinnov will be a grand experiment. Perhaps it makes a place for itself for the long haul, or the alternative is it does not. One thing I have learned is life is not static, so why should what we have in our living environment be expected to be so?
 
I don't think your gear, whatever iteration, has been a significant limitation and with the Trinnov preamp/software you may find out if your listening room is acting like a governor on your system's sound quality. I dabbled with REW and a miniDSP and found my living room has some pretty odd frequency peaks and valleys. However, that is a fully manual process and I ran out of patience with all the untended results after making adjustments. The Trinnov system will do all that automatically I presume, but also allow some tweaking? Did you listen to the Martin Logans before you decided to try the Trinnov? I must admit the ML's use of Anthem's ARC is very appealing without going the full monty on room correction.

Is there video of you and @Audiofreak71 carting your new amps down those stairs? ;)
 
Fair. On AV-focused forums and places like ASR, DSP has been a major topic for at least the last few years. Frequent recommendations for those looking to buy new gear include buying mini-DSP, installing REW, mic placement, etc., to correct for the room, especially in multi-channel systems. It'll be interesting to see whether electronic digital correction becomes more prevalent among two channel devotees. As seems the norm, you may find yourself leading the charge around these parts.


Mister Pig said:
Maybe I will and maybe I won't. I have always viewed audio as a journey, and there is no requirement to own something and never move on from it. Some components I have owned for a relatively long time, my DAC is over 12 years old, my speakers are closing in on 7 years. I have a ZYX phono cartridge that is 13 years old. Phono stage is about 4 years old, the one previous to that I kept 7 years. Other pieces have not stayed as long, and some pieces have a short time here because it results in a sound that does not speak to me. The Trinnov will be a grand experiment. Perhaps it makes a place for itself for the long haul, or the alternative is it does not. One thing I have learned is life is not static, so why should what we have in our living environment be expected to be so?
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AvFan said:
I don't think your gear, whatever iteration, has been a significant limitation and with the Trinnov preamp/software you may find out if your listening room is acting like a governor on your system's sound quality. I dabbled with REW and a miniDSP and found my living room has some pretty odd frequency peaks and valleys. However, that is a fully manual process and I ran out of patience with all the untended results after making adjustments. The Trinnov system will do all that automatically I presume, but also allow some tweaking? Did you listen to the Martin Logans before you decided to try the Trinnov? I must admit the ML's use of Anthem's ARC is very appealing without going the full monty on room correction.

Is there video of you and @Audiofreak71 carting your new amps down those stairs? ;)
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Oh I listened to the ML speakers at a dealer, but I never brought them home, I still use my JBL 4365. There are no video cause really it took both of us and the seller to get them safely into the vehicle. No one was available to shoot video.
 
Mister Pig said:
Oh I listened to the ML speakers at a dealer, but I never brought them home, I still use my JBL 4365.
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I was just curious if the MLs with ARC piqued your interest in room correction and led you to consider and then buy the Trinnov. Just as it does with home theater I think room correction can have a place in 2-channel systems in particular with odd shaped or multipurpose rooms. My system is in our living room with a huge cathedral ceiling that would be very difficult to acoustically treat without it being ugly or at least look very odd. Room correction such as ARC, Trinnov or miniDSP is the only way I could even out the rooms response. I look forward to your thoughts on the process and its outcome.
 
For this initial calibration I set the system in full range speaker more, and only used the JBL 4365 speakers, I kept the subwoofers off. I wanted to see how the process worked before I put the subs in as the amps on them do not like being abused, and the woofers are irreplaceable, so I wanted no surprises. The process is extremely easy, and it only took a couple of minutes. I have a remote viewer program installed on the laptop and it makes running the software very convenient, and so I control the whole process from the dining room table.

When done I have 5 factory configurations I can activate. I listened to three of them last night, and found two I prefer. One is named Natural and that one is extremely well balanced. There is a setting named Monitor that sounds similar to what I have in terms of overall sound without room correction but improved. There is a setting called Comfort that aligns with what you expect to hear from a prototypical British speaker, rich, full, and textured.

Next step is to put the subs in and then run the calibration again. After that one I will be able to tailor some curves and create a couple to my own liking. I will probably manipulate the Natural and Studio ones and then make one for a club type sound for when I listen to EDM.

So far the process has been interesting and informative.
 
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