HPM-60 vs HPM-60

[merkan]

Hi everyone,

I want to buy a pair of HPM-60, and I am waiting for a second generation which is rare in here in Turkey. A friend told me the first generation is in fact better than the second one. Actually I did not listen the second one but I liked the first one.

Anyone who listened both, could you please help? which one is preferable?

 

[Jnevill]

I had the second generation, they were excellent speakers, with a great sound. You may see if you can locate a pair of HPM 700's, these are an upgrade to the 60's with an even better sound.

 

[merkan]

I had the second generation, they were excellent speakers, with a great sound. You may see if you can locate a pair of HPM 700's, these are an upgrade to the 60's with an even better sound.

Thanks, I have never seen HPM-700 in Turkey, possibly they never imported. Actually first generation 60s are also rare, I could not decide if I should buy first gen or wait for second gen.

Ps: I have HPM-40 now.

 

[Jnevill]

It sounds like you need to get whichever pair pops up then, you really can't go wrong either way.

 

[Copa1934]

Hi everyone,

I want to buy a pair of HPM-60, and I am waiting for a second generation which is rare in here in Turkey. A friend told me the first generation is in fact better than the second one. Actually I did not listen the second one but I liked the first one.

Anyone who listened both, could you please help? which one is preferable?

I can only say the early woofers had a lower Fs and would go deeper. I only know this from rebuilding a set of woofers. The 60, either, will certainly be an upgrade from the 40 due to the midrange driver. Balances things out. I know my late model 60 sounds better than my late model 40.

 

[merkan]

Today I listened an early 60 but actually I can not say there is much difference from 40. But that might from amp difference, owner of 60s is using a relatively new model, phlips and I have sx-780. Also an interesting point that I realized, when I am listening 40s with sx-780 VU meter goes up to 10W (they are calibrated) but while his philips showing these values sound was much less. Also they are a bit expensive for me (480 USD). If he decide to sell them for around 400 USD, I will buy, otherwise continue to look up. Thanks.

 

[Copa1934]

Today I listened an early 60 but actually I can not say there is much difference from 40. But that might from amp difference, owner of 60s is using a relatively new model, phlips and I have sx-780. Also an interesting point that I realized, when I am listening 40s with sx-780 VU meter goes up to 10W (they are calibrated) but while his philips showing these values sound was much less. Also they are a bit expensive for me (480 USD). If he decide to sell them for around 400 USD, I will buy, otherwise continue to look up. Thanks.

Receivers can make a huge difference. I know from personal experience. Need to listen to both speakers connected to the same equipment, in the same room.

 

[Rob41]

Given the scarcity of vintage gear in Turkey, I'd suggest you get the HPM-60 speakers that are available. If you decide you like them better than your HPM-40's you could recoup some of the expense by selling the HPM-40's.

 

[merkan]

Receivers can make a huge difference. I know from personal experience. Need to listen to both speakers connected to the same equipment, in the same room.

Actually today SX-780 was with me but owner of the 60s does not have suitable power cable for it I will again take it with me with power cable and other stuff when I am going to go to check other ones. But it will be too hard to take 40s also

 

[merkan]

Given the scarcity of vintage gear in Turkey, I'd suggest you get the HPM-60 speakers that are available. If you decide you like them better than your HPM-40's you could recoup some of the expense by selling the HPM-40's.

Yep, thats the decision, I will buy whichever I will find at suitable price, if it will be first gen and if I will find second gen in the future then I would chage again. Of course I would like to keep both 40s and 60s but I will sell 40s when I get 60s.

 

[Rob41]

Please come back to let us know about what you get and how you like them merkan. Have fun!

 

[Keymaster]

I actually own one set of each. Unfortunately I have the 1st generation hooked up to an early 90's JVC receiver and the 2nd gen hooked up to a Pioneer SX-780, so I don't have an "apples to apples" comparison. But they sound very similar to me, in my opinion. Both have the tone controls on the back, which I use on both sets to tone them down a bit. I wouldn't consider either of them extremely bass-heavy, but for 10 inch speakers, they do just fine. I have a sub hooked up to the JVC and the 780 has a set of newer Pioneer 12" 3-ways to help compensate for the low end.

 

[merkan]

Please come back to let us know about what you get and how you like them merkan. Have fun!

I will but It may take some time

I actually own one set of each. Unfortunately I have the 1st generation hooked up to an early 90's JVC receiver and the 2nd gen hooked up to a Pioneer SX-780, so I don't have an "apples to apples" comparison. But they sound very similar to me, in my opinion. Both have the tone controls on the back, which I use on both sets to tone them down a bit. I wouldn't consider either of them extremely bass-heavy, but for 10 inch speakers, they do just fine. I have a sub hooked up to the JVC and the 780 has a set of newer Pioneer 12" 3-ways to help compensate for the low end.

Thanks.

 

[merkan]

Yet another question, how can I make sure that all drivers are working good? I try to listen them seperately by listening very close but is there any easier way?

 

[Copa1934]

Yet another question, how can I make sure that all drivers are working good? I try to listen them seperately by listening very close but is there any easier way?

Not as far as I'm concerned. You would either have to have incredible hearing or drivers that are pretty far off. I've used DATS (woofer tester) software to "match" drivers and very very few actually matched perfectly. Yet to my ears I couldn't hear the difference.

Also keep in mind, unless you are listening to mono recordings, there is almost no way you'll ever know. Again, unless the drivers are that far off. I wouldn't waste the time. If you can discern with a quick listen, you can change them out. But if you can't "audibly" hear the difference, don't sweat it. Time better spent on networks and other things.

 

[PeerlessK]

HPM 500 vs my 100s . The 500,s are better imaging with better detail . The 100s are on their way to NC . My son wants them (borrow) lol

 

[merkan]

Not as far as I'm concerned. You would either have to have incredible hearing or drivers that are pretty far off. I've used DATS (woofer tester) software to "match" drivers and very very few actually matched perfectly. Yet to my ears I couldn't hear the difference.

Also keep in mind, unless you are listening to mono recordings, there is almost no way you'll ever know. Again, unless the drivers are that far off. I wouldn't waste the time. If you can discern with a quick listen, you can change them out. But if you can't "audibly" hear the difference, don't sweat it. Time better spent on networks and other things.

When I bought 40s after one week or so I realized one of the tweeters was defective, then also I realized one of the supers does not working well They are my first speakers, now my ears are much more trained but I still afraid to miss something while testing to buy.

HPM 500 vs my 100s . The 500,s are better imaging with better detail . The 100s are on their way to NC . My son wants them (borrow) lol

500 like 40 with new super, it is interesting to produce better detail

 

[Gern]

I have the later HPM-60's , it took me a while to warm up to them, figure them out with my Yamaha gear, but I now really like them and decided against selling them...
On a whim, I snapped up a gorgeous pair of gen2 HPM-40's and was blown away by what this little speaker can do.
I liked them so much that I then bought a pair of early HPM-40's and they sound even better !

Tone is subjective, but to my ears the early 40's dig noticeably deeper bass wise , I'm guessing this is due to a deeper cone and the foam surround ?
They are also a bit smoother on the top end than the later ones. It can be hard to tame the gen2 40/60's without dumping the L pads way down. This is not an issue with the gen1.

I run both pairs of 40's in tandem and they compliment each other very well. The early version are on the bottom, and of course there is some fiddling around with the L pads to get them just right, but I
am so glad I jumped on them, My Yamaha MX-600U powers them well.

The gen2's seem cleaner & clearer, I don't think reveal is the right word, but I hear more background tracks with them, the bass is HPM, but the gen1's just have more of it.
Now I'll be quick to add that the bass though deeper, is not as clean or crisp.
The gen1's are indeed a totally different animal and I love both together.

When I want to shake the house, I run 2 pair of HPM-100 [100 & 200 versions] with a Yamaha MX1000U , and when I'm simply working around the house or relaxing the quad of 40s' gets the nod.

If the early 60's are anything like the early 40's, a quad of gen1 / gen2 together will be glorious... I have a spare set of gen1 re foamed 10's ready and waiting !!

HPM--150's are on my short list..