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OMG the shipping is $410. P.T. Barnum was right indeed. The one bid for $10,000 was canceled by the seller.
 
"Transferrable Warranty Included on Whole System ***
4 year / $4,000.00"

I'm thinking they will smash it when they get it and claim shipping damage and make $500 bucks.. the only reason I can imagine spending $3500 on a $500 system...

hhhmmm.. seller has 0 feedback.. yeh.. someone is gonna get screwed either way I bet.. .
 
Wow! Somebody bought it!

:banana: Yes, someone will be enjoying some SWEET home theater in about a week.

Unreal. The funny thing is, those speakers look just like a pair of really good Sonus Fabre speakers. The receiver looks like a $100 knock-off Circuit City loss leader.

It will be funny to see how this pans out in the feedback.
 
Genesis Media Labs is so good that, much like Di Vinci, the Dolby System or THX is not worthy of their products. They must be so much better than my bunch of crap, Adcom, Meridian, PS Audio and other garbage that I was suckered into owning.....
 
White Van Metamorphosis

I must admit that I became a bit fascinated with the 'white van speaker' phenomenon when an AK buddy who will remain anonymous actually had placed a bid on a pair of Dahlton speakers one night. I thought they looked much like the Dogg Digital and Audio Pro stuff I had seen in some pawn shops. A quick bit of research turned up page after page of scam alerts. When I posted an ad as a warning as an ebay seller (yes, I confess, but I have repented), I got lots of email replies, two of them from reporters whose news stations had done underground investigative reports. If you don't know it yet, what started out as cars and vans loaded with speakers, has grown to include 'high end' electronics and even the folks over in Europe have been swindled with the same scams in different guises. I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me what an 'aluminum dipped cone' is or how and why you'd do it. Better yet, the three way speaker system with one crossover point.. Mmm....:scratch2: abra cadabra...hocus pocus...gizmo osmo... Ah I see how it works now.:thmbsp:
 
$500 system? Clearly it's worth $11000. They say so right in the description.

AND....those towers have "digital crossover circuitry". I've been looking high and low for speakers with digital crossovers.

AND....surely a 3000 watt tube amplifier is worth much much more than $500.
 
The winning bidder is undoubtedly the seller. Seems to me that no one in their right mind would pay that much unless they were really into their home theatre and would thus know better--so the logical conclusion is that they are hyping "sold" pricing to really sink their claws into the dimwits amoung us on later listings.
 
Ebay newbie & Audio novice: A bad combination

From what I had observed in checking some of the auctions is that you have a lot of new ebayers who also are just getting into buying audio gear and don't know what to look for. How about this ad: "Soundesign 2-way Tower Speakers 3-foot towers with 6-inch cone woofer and 2-inch cone tweeter. Beautiful wood trim. 25-watt max power handling." Open for bids, with a Buy It Now option price of $199. Oh, I'm sorry, $199 WAS the opening bid price. That's no misprint. The whole speaker system might have weighed 15 pounds total, about as sturdy as a cereal box. And guess what? Some guy or his girlfriend (he says it was her) placed a bid on the pair. I sent them an email trying to warn them to cancel their bid and take the heat with a note explaining how/why they had to. Couldn't reach them in time. The guy wrote back to me and was really em-Bare-Assed to read the description carefully after I explained it to him. My suggestion was to offer the seller her fees and maybe $20 to keep from getting negative feedback.

BUT.... the shrewd and the crooked have found a loophole in the ebay system: private listings. No one can warn any bidders that they're getting scammed with this tactic in place. And the clever ones are using it to their advantage. There have been many times when I wrote emails with or without attachments warning them of the scam speakers. A few times it worked. Almost all of them were honest folks either new to ebay or looking to buy some decent equipment at a fair price.

That's why forums like this can really help out if people do a little research and take the time to read (and join).:yes:
 
guscjr said:
From what I had observed in checking some of the auctions is that you have a lot of new ebayers who also are just getting into buying audio gear and don't know what to look for. How about this ad: "Soundesign 2-way Tower Speakers 3-foot towers with 6-inch cone woofer and 2-inch cone tweeter. Beautiful wood trim. 25-watt max power handling." Open for bids, with a Buy It Now option price of $199. Oh, I'm sorry, $199 WAS the opening bid price. That's no misprint. The whole speaker system might have weighed 15 pounds total, about as sturdy as a cereal box. And guess what? Some guy or his girlfriend (he says it was her) placed a bid on the pair. I sent them an email trying to warn them to cancel their bid and take the heat with a note explaining how/why they had to. Couldn't reach them in time. The guy wrote back to me and was really em-Bare-Assed to read the description carefully after I explained it to him. My suggestion was to offer the seller her fees and maybe $20 to keep from getting negative feedback.

BUT.... the shrewd and the crooked have found a loophole in the ebay system: private listings. No one can warn any bidders that they're getting scammed with this tactic in place. And the clever ones are using it to their advantage. There have been many times when I wrote emails with or without attachments warning them of the scam speakers. A few times it worked. Almost all of them were honest folks either new to ebay or looking to buy some decent equipment at a fair price.

That's why forums like this can really help out if people do a little research and take the time to read (and join).:yes:
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I applaud your efforts to keep the naive away from unscroupulous sellers but I'll warn you, interfering in an auction is against Ebay rules. You can be "unregistered" for this. I've done it once. I knew a bidder was going to get fleeced and the dollar amount was high enough to put my Ebay membership on the line. There are more than a few rules at Ebay that just don't make practical sense and this is one.
 
Gus,is your ad the one where you compared a $250 Yamaha HT setup bought at Marshalls to a white van setup someone had paid $549 for on Ebay?
I saw your great ad as a link on Phoenix CL.Ive posted similar warnings myself on CL Phoenix,and have been thanked on a few occasions.
Good on ya.
Jimmy
 
Posting a warning

I can't take credit for that post with the comparison. I have run a number on the local Dallas CL and some on ebay when I was a seller. The warnings quickly get flagged as you can imagine, but it has been working. There has been a surprising drop in the ridiculous hyped ads here lately as more people post counterads against them. Don't get me wrong. I have no problem in someone posting one of the complete systems or speaker sets for a few hundred dollars - you definitely can do better of course - but it gets me with the hype, the fake ads, the fake MSRPs and the super inflated terminology that makes no sense all leading up to some x-thousand dollar price. That's BS.
 
westend said:
I applaud your efforts to keep the naive away from unscroupulous sellers but I'll warn you, interfering in an auction is against Ebay rules. You can be "unregistered" for this. I've done it once. I knew a bidder was going to get fleeced and the dollar amount was high enough to put my Ebay membership on the line. There are more than a few rules at Ebay that just don't make practical sense and this is one.
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Good point, but it just ticked me off. I had to do it. As it is my ebay days are done - for now at least.
 
"BUT.... the shrewd and the crooked have found a loophole in the ebay system: private listings. No one can warn any bidders that they're getting scammed with this tactic in place. And the clever ones are using it to their advantage. There have been many times when I wrote emails with or without attachments warning them of the scam speakers. A few times it worked. Almost all of them were honest folks either new to ebay or looking to buy some decent equipment at a fair price."

sellers can take action for bidding interference....

you can't even responde to an email thru the ebay message system about bad feedback you gave a prior transaction.
 
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