In praise of crummy BSR changers

bangsezmax

Turntable Whisperer
I recently started doing turntable repairs for a local record shop and this past week they gave me two old Panasonics (those are all BSRs units AFAIK) and a Crosley faux-retro Stack-o-matic suitcase. :yuck:

I make it a point not to look down my nose at anyone who brings me a cheap, crappy table for repair. Considering how lousy a lot of MP3s sound, as an audiophile and a music lover, I acknowledge that some people are perfectly happy listening to inferior audio. My place is not to judge, it's to fix. People were perfectly happy listening to crummy tables 30 years ago. Why would it be any different now?

Of course, I would never consider an old BSR changer as a legitimate "listening experience" turntable, and I've felt that way since I bought my first "real" turntable 30+ years ago. But I grew up with those changers (EVERYBODY had one in the 70s). They're part of my world.

And I can tell you having been elbow-deep in two of them -- those crummy BSR changers are remarkable pieces of engineering. The parts are solid enough to keep working as if new after who knows how many hours of use by people who weren't exactly gentle with their gear. Now 30+ years on, you that you can bet that the grease has turned to glue and most will appear not to function. But once you clean off the old caked-on goo and put new lube on it again, I swear it'll run for a few more decades.

On the other hand, the Crosley -- using almost the exact same mechanism -- is truly a piece of junk. Because 1) all the important metal pieces in the BSR (like the cam wheel) were changed to plastic on the Crosley and 2) it's a belt drive, as if a belt is gonna last trying to deliver the proper torque to the mechanism. Dreadful engineering.

So for posterity's sake -- here's the easy way to resurrect an old BSR changer --

Use denatured alcohol or isopropyl alcohol to remove the old lube, and replace it with lithium grease or phonolube. Do this in the following places:

1) Speed control -- the shaft that spring and the plastic stepped piece sit on. Just get as much of the shaft exposed as you can and clean/lube it. Also on the long connector piece that moves the gear.

2) Platter bearing -- if the grease on the ball bearing holder has gone really glue-y, you may have to dig it out with something. Helps to soak it in solvent for a bit. Then relube it well. Also clean and lightly lube the spindle shaft.

3) The cam wheel -- pop the C clamp off, lift the wheel and clean the gunk and relube the underside where the pin travels. Also clean and relube the bearing that the cam sits on.

4) The tonearm travel path -- on the underside of the table near the base of the tonearm , there's a small pin that moves along a curved slot when the tonearm moves. If there's gunked-up lube there, remove it and replace it. You'll know if this isn't done because the tonearm won't move properly and the records will skip.

As with any idler, it's worth your while to clean and/or recondition the idler wheel and clean the inside of the platter where the idler travels. Putting a drop of good machine oil on the motor won't hurt either.

(Edit: I added some more instructions in another post pertaining to very "locked up" changers.)

Do that stuff, and those crappy old changers will run forever. They are truly amazing little machines. If they only sounded better!
 
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This is perfect should you wish to restore a portable record player .
just have to buy some cheapo records to go with it so as not to regroove the best ones !
 
This is perfect should you wish to restore a portable record player .
just have to buy some cheapo records to go with it so as not to regroove the best ones !
One of the Panasonic/BSR units I worked on actually had a Pickering V15 cartridge (a.k.a. Stanton 500 series), so with a conical stylus would theoretically do less damage than one of those el cheapo flip-over types. But yeah, I wouldn't bother with anything other than beater thrift store discs on those units. Come to think of it, that's probably what most beater thrift store discs were played on in the first place. :yes:
 
I've seen players like that used in clothing-store window displays as props. Gives them a good purpose to continue existing, the stores don't need to spend much money for the displays, no one needs to spend time trying to make them function, and no discs nor animals are harmed in the making of the displays. :D


Seriously, all types of gear --even cheap BSR players-- are a part of audio history, and I'd like to think that at least a few of them would be preserved for that reason alone. A lot of them were sold years ago, so they were a part of mainstream culture. If someone still gets pleasure from playing records on them, all the better (so long as they aren't re-grooving good records, as others have said). Such players might be just the thing for a youngster's first vinyl set-up, for example. People may enjoy having one for nostalgic reasons, if they grew up using one.

But the "quality" of them is sadly lacking, in most cases. I wouldn't buy one for any real merit as a means of playing records, given how many better units are still out there at very reasonable prices.
 
Wow. The last BSR in Panasonic clothing that I fixed had an idler wheel that turned to goo.

BTW, my 1st turntable was a BSR mini with a ceramic cartridge that was integrated into an arm which looked exactly like that on the Model 310. Still have the very first record I purchased for it, and after several hundred plays, "Teaser And The Firecat" still sounds like new, for some odd reason.
 
When I was a kid I was given a Golden Shield (Japanese) two-tube record player with a drop-down BSR Monarch changer. It of course had a mono crystal cartridge on it that tracked somewhere around 12 grams. :nono: It didn't take long for me to dig thru my older brothers cast-offs and find a one-tube GE phono preamp and a magnetic stereo cartridge. I mounted the cart and mounted the phono preamp into the base of the enclosure that held the amplifier and speaker. Took my allowance and walked several blocks to Martin Electronic Wholesale, got a new stylus and was in business with a record player that I wasn't afraid to play records on and that sounded much, much better. I later added a 1/4" closed circuit output jack and found the little amp had enough *oomph* to drive a 10" driver mounted to a baffle board from an old B&W TV. With some help, I made an enclosure for it and used that little set-up into the next decade.
 
That's just the same kind of stuff I used to do when I was kid/teenager.

Made my "system" out of odds and ends.

Doug
 
There were a few BSR changers that weren't so bad. We had one that came in a decent particle board cabinet. It had a rectangular straight tonearm with a slider on it for setting tracking force, there was anti-skate and it came with an ADC cartridge. It sounded pretty good... probably about the same as a similar Dual...
 
There were a few BSR changers that weren't so bad. We had one that came in a decent particle board cabinet. It had a rectangular straight tonearm with a slider on it for setting tracking force, there was anti-skate and it came with an ADC cartridge. It sounded pretty good... probably about the same as a similar Dual...

True, not all of them are terrible. When I first acquired 78s (through buying a collection of 1,200 records) the first 78 capable turntable I found was one of the 'high end' BSRs. Decent tonearm, good speed accuracy and it accepted standard 1/2" mount cartridges.

I'm now using a Technics SP-15 and a modified Technics SL-1200 for playing 78s, but the BSR was a good start.

I recently gave the BSR to a good friend and fellow collector who'd been searching in vain for a 78 rpm capable deck for a long time.
 
Me too.... it was fun!

My biggest revelation was in about 1967 when I made a cabinet for a 5" X 7" speaker and it basically had an open back. Not really because it DID have a back but it wasn't sealed.

I suppose it was about a foot high by 10" wide and 10" deep.

I must have read about sealed cabinets by then because, one day, I held a piece of plywood tightly against the back just to see what a difference it would make.

I was amazed at the tighter and deeper bass produced.

And that was the beginning of my realization that sealed speaker systems sound better than vented ones. :thmbsp:

Fans of vented systems, feel free to castigate me. \:^) :nono:

OK, back to BSRs.

I always have the story about how one side of my Zenyatta Mondatta album played for 8 hours straight on a BSR changer in 1981 and it sounds wonderful to this day. I don't even remember what side it was exactly but you could never tell by listening.

Doug
 
Thanks! I found this thread helpful, I am setting up a BRS McDonald 510 as a 78 player. I have it apart in the garage.
 
My first "real" turntable was a BSR changer that came with a Fisher system in 1974. I don't recall what the cartridge was, but probably a cheap Shure of some kind. After about 1 year it started mistracking on inner grooves, then finally quit. It must have tracked at 6-8 grams or more, and the antiskate couldn't have worked right. The upshot is that some of my records from that time suffered definate harm from that turntable. I do not have fond memories of that machine. I replaced it with a Rotel RP3000 that I'm listening to right now. On the other hand, the Fisher receiver that came with the system in 1974 is still being used by my daughters.
 
Not all were bad. I recently retired one of my BSR changers with an ADC magnetic cartridge since I don't stack 45's anymore. It worked quite well.
 
My first TT was a BSR 310X. It was idler drive, and the idler was not in proper alignment. It squeaked against the platter, so I took the platter off and adjusted the angle of the platter bearing shaft with a pry bar. Crude - it had to be - but it worked. In time, it went on to a Technics SL1500, and the rest is a long history of mostly good machines. A few years ago, I saw one of BSR's more modern, more advanced models at an estate auction, and though at the time I was actively buying and selling turntables, I passed on it. No praise for BSR here. :no:
 
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4) The tonearm travel path -- on the underside of the table near the base of the tonearm , there's a small pin that moves along a curved slot when the tonearm moves. If there's gunked-up lube there, remove it and replace it. You'll know if this isn't done because the tonearm won't move properly and the records will skip.


I was having a problem with it skipping as it reached half way or so, so I cleaned this "path" now everything plays through. Thanks! :music:

It's not an awful turntable it has a skate control after all. I easily installed a spare Shure cart and set the tonearm weight. I am thinking of getting a proper 78 stylus for the Cart and at $35.00 that is $31.98 more that the table cost so what the hey? :scratch2:
 
Years ago, I took the small BSR changer out of a Panasonic portable that worked on AC or batteries. I made a simple stained wooden plinth for it out of some 1x4, which it sat in rather neatly. Underneath I fastened a little ACtoDC power supply that put out the same voltage as the portable's supply, wiring a toggle switch into the AC line. I put a pair of RCA sockets in the back of the plinth, soldered to the audio lines coming down from the tonearm. The changer has a decent crystal flip-over cartridge on it, with a pristine 78 stylus on it. For years, it was the best thing I had for playing 78s. I never used it as a changer, just single play. I never played LPs on it.
 
Unfortunately...my first turntable was a cheap Soundesign all-in-one unit.

The technology on these new faux-retro turntables is absolutely terrible. From what I could tell, the Crosley's turntable unit was EXACTLY the same as my Soundesign's...but the Soundesign was 20 years older! :(

(I haven't gotten a chance to dissect a Crosley yet, but if I ever find a dead or beat-up one, I'll tear it apart with no guilt and probably confirm the above suspicions of mine.)
 
There were BSR's and BSR's.

The MP60 was one iof the better ones. A single player with heavy die cast TT, a half way decent arm withhttp://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llyjugWViq1qbmx2to1_500.jpg and antiskate. Similar to the C-142 changer version I have next to my PC.

Most the cheaper ones had less trim around the speed /size selectors, and used plastic platters which scraped your vinyl and suffered from W&F and rumble. No antiskate and no damped cueing.

Their higher end models like the ADC Accutrac were marvellous pieces of engineering.
 
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